[SickOfSadness]

Hello all, I have a med appt on the 28th & have been battling whether or not I should try something.

I am diagnosed bipolar (2, I believe) and my main issue is being aggitated most of the time. I go from being highly aggitated to depressed. A lot of the time I just feel like blah, I guess is the best way to describe it lol.

Id rather not be on anything & go about this naturally, but its proving to be quite difficult. I've tried this tincture that I found online (triple mood complex tonix) but am not sure if its working or not & I have a hard time remembering to take things multiple times/day.... I am also trying to get into meditating & getting Reiki healings.

I just dk what to do.

My friend suggested Vibrid, has anyone heard or experienced it??
Any feedback or advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, all!

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Have you looked at diet? Is this relatively new or has it always been a challenge? Maybe it would worthwhile to look into allergies which would be much easier to solve.

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[SickOfSadness]

Diet just may be one of the issues. I love to eat tasty food. The mood swings have always been a challenge

I've read stuff about most mi patients having gut issues even before diagnosis so it might be something to consider. I like tasty foods too

I am also learning about a genetic testing. My pa has been really impressed with the results. They may or may not suggest meds. Since you aren't on meds yet and if you have insurance that will pay for it this could also be something to explore. I have not tried it yet but plan to.

Good for you for exploring all avenues

One company:
https://www.pathway.com/dna-reports/...th-dna-insight

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Hi, I'm also bipolar 2 with a lot of agitation-anxiety, depression, and some hypomania that also is charged with agitation. Lamictal might be a helpful med for you.

[venusss]

Originally Posted by SickOfSadness

Diet just may be one of the issues. I love to eat tasty food. The mood swings have always been a challenge

try to watch out what foods make it worse. I don't think there is any specific diet. For example many people swear by low carb diets (in terms of doing good things to their mood), but for me... if i don't get enough carbs, I feel starved, I feel like going crazy. With time I realized I am sensitive to some additives in food... I survive them in smaller amounts, but long term... it makes me crazy.

Look up mood foods. Legumen are the main mood food for mood disorders. Fish are another.

Another thing I found extremely useful is Bach essences.

This link sums up the ones that are useful for bipolar Bach Flower Remedies | Emotional Wellness but there is 38 remedies total, which can be combined (max 7 at times) into customized remedy.

[jordan23]

Originally Posted by SickOfSadness

Hello all, I have a med appt on the 28th & have been battling whether or not I should try something.

I am diagnosed bipolar (2, I believe) and my main issue is being aggitated most of the time. I go from being highly aggitated to depressed. A lot of the time I just feel like blah, I guess is the best way to describe it lol.

Id rather not be on anything & go about this naturally, but its proving to be quite difficult. I've tried this tincture that I found online (triple mood complex tonix) but am not sure if its working or not & I have a hard time remembering to take things multiple times/day.... I am also trying to get into meditating & getting Reiki healings.

I just dk what to do.

My friend suggested Vibrid, has anyone heard or experienced it??
Any feedback or advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, all!

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I'm bipolar 2 as well, so for depression I love Latuda with Lexapro and Lamictal....that combo has worked wonders. Now for irritability-any benzo works.

For OTC meds, Fish Oil if your stomach can handle it, and St. John's Wort both help with mild depression. Valerian Root might help with aggitation.

I also tried Viibryd and it didn't lift my depression, but actually caused irritablity. I've heard Brintellix is great for depression as well! Btw, all the meds I've mentioned are also weight neutral...that's crucial for me! Good luck!

Regarding the viibryd, I was on that and it didn't help my depression in the least. The Prozac I'm on now seems to be helping much better (either that or the depression is just lifting on its own)

[sewerrats]

Gut problems are mostly anxiety symptoms if ill, You never get fat if full of anxiety. No matter what you eat you guts feel like a washing machine on full spin. Of course if you chomping on vindaloo curry every night that wont help

I got this from a blog on mercola.com. There are lots of articles.

"It’s important to realize that you have neurons both in your brain and your gut -- including neurons that produce neurotransmitters like serotonin. In fact, the greatest concentration of serotonin, which is involved in mood control, depression and aggression, is found in your intestines, not your brain! Perhaps this is one reason why antidepressants, which raise serotonin levels in your brain, are often ineffective in treating depression, whereas proper dietary changes often help..."

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...ew-prozac.aspx

This research is so new I don't think they have even begun to tap into which microbes affect which moods. In fact I believe adding a probiotic supplement is a good treatment if you can't or don't want to change your diet. There are so many bacteria and microbes to research I am not buying probiotic supplements as a "cure all". The good news is everyone agrees that a balanced diet is the best way to help your diet. Foods are the best way to improve your entire gut whether your problem is probiotic or not. The article above talks about this.

Why is that important? You don't have to believe to benefit or stop your meds. You can change your intake of foods >for life< without risk of adversely affecting your health. Gaps, price Weston, paleo, nourished traditions. Whatever you prefer as long as it contains variety.

There is also lots of anecdotal evidence going back much longer than the new research. Often that's how studies get started by the way:

http://nourishedkitchen.com/nutritio...-chronic-pain/

http://www.bipolarspirit.com/2013/11...onnection.html

I should note that when nourished kitchen wrote that story several years ago she did not emphasize fermented food. She and the mercola article both talk about fermented foods as beneficial to mental health. I hope we see more fermented foods that you don't have to cook yourself.

I will acknowledge that it is not easy to change your diet like this because it takes more time to cook, healthy and antibiotic foods are more expensive and we are faced with bad choices everyday. But it is a healthier, more permanent solution than meds alone.

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[sewerrats]

I don't read hundreds of diet tips for depression ,I can go on the internet and find threads to contary each other all day, eating something you don't like wont make you happy, you can eat healthy without missing out on fav foods, have a full English fry up . but grill it instead of using fat. Grill instead of fry all my meat is done on BQ rain or shine you don't have to eat it outside. just cut down on the portions and you will notice the difference , without eating stop you hate because its healthy.

[venusss]

The thing is, many people eat too much of what should not be even considered food and consider it "yummy". One Czech cook once talked of "syndrom of iron mouth"... that with everything being laden with chemicals, stores selling ham which is actually flavoured with "smoke" flavour, TV dinners that are actually pretty dystopic when you think of it (Zamjatin's "We" talked about how people solved food crisis when they started making food out of (earth) oil. We are not too far from that now).

There is "unhealthy" as in fried, with lots of fat... but it's still food. Most of Czech cousine is "unhealthy" but it's actually still food and will not harm you in small amounts. Now you have junk food, all the instant foods and *food* that is basically nothing but chemicals... that is bad.

Cutting out the outrageous stuff will not harm you. And in long term it will not harm your dolce vita when it comes to food, because you will actually be able to enjoy real food more. If you stop putting sugar in your tea, you will discover that tea has many other flavours then "sugary".

You can enjoy the healthy food. Or real food at least. Honestly, when i have the time and chance, I prefer to cook for myself then buy some finished food. I can add what I like. Use all the hot sauce I want...

I've always been a big coffee drinker... Not in quantity but gotta every morning. It's more than a buzz thing. It's a ritual. I prefer making my own from beans. But always with cream and sugar. Except a couple months ago I stopped needing the sugar. I still need it in food but not 2 scoops. Now I switch between a latte with reg milk and no sugar and black coffee or caffe ole depending on what feel like. It's weird. I didn't intend it at all.

I wish I could use all the hot sauce I want! Had my fill and can't do it anymore

Michael Pollen wrote that ANY traditional diet in the world is healthy in that environment EXCEPT SAD (standard American diet). There are some diets that consist of almost no veggies and no fruits because they don't grow there. Those people are healthy.

Recommendations from places like nourishing traditions isn't about "food tips" or avoiding classes of foods. It's about whole foods including good fats and meat along with veggies and fruit. It's about balance, not deprivation unless you are really in love with preservatives, colorings, corn and antibiotic fed beef. I mentioned gut problems to the op who said she would like to avoid meds if she can. You made some sort of statement about how that only applies to anxiety. I responded with an article that shows more than anxiety can be helped which I find, btw, to be common sense given what is definitively known about the gut. The advice really wasn't for you, sewer. I already know you won't read a bit of it. You've already decided what is valid and what isn't. No amount of evidence or common sense is going to change that.

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[venusss]

I've always been a big coffee drinker... Not in quantity but gotta every morning. It's more than a buzz thing. It's a ritual. I prefer making my own from beans. But always with cream and sugar. Except a couple months ago I stopped needing the sugar. I still need it in food but not 2 scoops. Now I switch between a latte with reg milk and no sugar and black coffee or caffe ole depending on what feel like. It's weird. I didn't intend it at all.

I read on many places that coffee is better with sugar (body processes it better that way for some reason), but I drink my sugarless with lots of milk myself.

[sewerrats]

Originally Posted by VenusHalley

The thing is, many people eat too much of what should not be even considered food and consider it "yummy". One Czech cook once talked of "syndrom of iron mouth"... that with everything being laden with chemicals, stores selling ham which is actually flavoured with "smoke" flavour, TV dinners that are actually pretty dystopic when you think of it (Zamjatin's "We" talked about how people solved food crisis when they started making food out of (earth) oil. We are not too far from that now).

There is "unhealthy" as in fried, with lots of fat... but it's still food. Most of Czech cousine is "unhealthy" but it's actually still food and will not harm you in small amounts. Now you have junk food, all the instant foods and *food* that is basically nothing but chemicals... that is bad.

Cutting out the outrageous stuff will not harm you. And in long term it will not harm your dolce vita when it comes to food, because you will actually be able to enjoy real food more. If you stop putting sugar in your tea, you will discover that tea has many other flavours then "sugary".

You can enjoy the healthy food. Or real food at least. Honestly, when i have the time and chance, I prefer to cook for myself then buy some finished food. I can add what I like. Use all the hot sauce I want...

You are right about junk food, to eat like that every day would be crazy , but a mcdonalds burger has a treat now an then may lift your mood if a meat eater, I like to eat fries but long gone is the day I cook them in fat , just bang in oven fries now ,

[sewerrats]

Originally Posted by Michanne

I've always been a big coffee drinker... Not in quantity but gotta every morning. It's more than a buzz thing. It's a ritual. I prefer making my own from beans. But always with cream and sugar. Except a couple months ago I stopped needing the sugar. I still need it in food but not 2 scoops. Now I switch between a latte with reg milk and no sugar and black coffee or caffe ole depending on what feel like. It's weird. I didn't intend it at all.

I wish I could use all the hot sauce I want! Had my fill and can't do it anymore

Michael Pollen wrote that ANY traditional diet in the world is healthy in that environment EXCEPT SAD (standard American diet). There are some diets that consist of almost no veggies and no fruits because they don't grow there. Those people are healthy.

Recommendations from places like nourishing traditions isn't about "food tips" or avoiding classes of foods. It's about whole foods including good fats and meat along with veggies and fruit. It's about balance, not deprivation unless you are really in love with preservatives, colorings, corn and antibiotic fed beef. I mentioned gut problems to the op who said she would like to avoid meds if she can. You made some sort of statement about how that only applies to anxiety. I responded with an article that shows more than anxiety can be helped which I find, btw, to be common sense given what is definitively known about the gut. The advice really wasn't for you, sewer. I already know you won't read a bit of it. You've already decided what is valid and what isn't. No amount of evidence or common sense is going to change that.

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THE reason is I changed my diet years ago, I never have had sugar in tea or coffee, I eat lots of salad and drink pints of filtered water , I even eat a bunch of grapes every night that's my treat. But also have the odd curry , a good steak every week, and a grilled English breakfast. Just change how you cook things . So no I don't read any more food suggestions has I already have them in place, People will eat what they want not what people tell them , its like smoking ,just because someone gives up don't mean everyone else will

"So no I don't read any more food suggestions has I already have them in place"

Exactly. That's why the suggestions were not for you. That's why when conversations about advances in nutrition science and mental health happen it would be better to qualify any statement with "my information is old and I have no intention of learning anything new.". Or just refrain altogether.

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[sewerrats]

Originally Posted by Michanne

"So no I don't read any more food suggestions has I already have them in place"

Exactly. That's why the suggestions were not for you. That's why when conversations about advances in nutrition science and mental health happen it would be better to qualify any statement with "my information is old and I have no intention of learning anything new.". Or just refrain altogether.

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Im just making it clear , now I don't have to say it ever again people can look up the post , I don't like some make it every point of topic to every post answered, they have got it now has they did when you posted the same thing months ago , has you say its an old topic let it die ,

[venusss]

But to the OP it's new.

I know some suggest it's "offensive" to talk about lifestyle changes, because some may get offended.... but I would never be where I am, if I haven't been suggested some things.

If everything has been said, then what is point of online forums? We are probably not coming up with any Nobel prize material here.... but so what? It's not like you suggest something brand new every new post.

OP asked for suggestions, so people gave her the said suggestions. Nothing wrong with that.

[sewerrats]

Originally Posted by VenusHalley

But to the OP it's new.

I know some suggest it's "offensive" to talk about lifestyle changes, because some may get offended.... but I would never be where I am, if I haven't been suggested some things.

If everything has been said, then what is point of online forums? We are probably not coming up with any Nobel prize material here.... but so what? It's not like you suggest something brand new every new post.

OP asked for suggestions, so people gave her the said suggestions. Nothing wrong with that.

True but this is the med forum, there is a forum for diet and food change idea,s If you look down the pages. RECIPES AND HEALTHY LIVING forum is there just begging ideas.

[venusss]

OP is new and asked for other options.

Just because this is a med forum shall we say automatically "you can do nothing for yourself, Prozac Prozac uber alles?"

You can start another "wrong to post on med forum" thread. Maybe they won't delete it this time around, but I wouldn't count on that.

[sewerrats]

Originally Posted by VenusHalley

OP is new and asked for other options.

Just because this is a med forum shall we say automatically "you can do nothing for yourself, Prozac Prozac uber alles?"

You can start another "wrong to post on med forum" thread. Maybe they won't delete it this time around, but I wouldn't count on that.

they didn't they moved it to meds

Hmm. Does every lengthy thread on this forum have to get testy and angry?

Id rather not be on anything & go about this naturally, but its proving to be quite difficult. I've tried this tincture that I found online (triple mood complex tonix) but am not sure if its working or not & I have a hard time remembering to take things multiple times/day.... I am also trying to get into meditating & getting Reiki healings.


I just dk what to do.


My friend suggested Vibrid, has anyone heard or experienced it??

Any feedback or advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, all!

Here is the original post. She is asking about a MED and NATURAL OPTIONS.

Because you are so behind you don't know how much research has been done on the mind body connection. Seratonin, for example, is effected by medicines you take AND nutrition. It lives in the GUT. It's makes absolute sense to talk about nutrition, the gut and med options together.

If I want to know how ssri's work in the brain and how they differ from other meds you are the local expert. But I wouldn't expect any reliable information about how microbes and seratonin in the gut interact with the brain. That doesn't give you the right to decide what should or should not be discussed in somebody else's thread. It is unfair to continue to hijack threads like this too.

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[sewerrats]

Originally Posted by Sister Rags

Hmm. Does every lengthy thread on this forum have to get testy and angry?

anti med protesters , just see how fast they reply