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Old Jul 22, 2010, 05:53 PM
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Peaches, my T said that those who go through trauma or abandonment are far more sensitive to reading the body language and subconscious intentions of others. It is one reason they make sure good T's when they are healed up! I think you should go with your heart and instincts on all this. You do know what the truth is about how all of this impacts you. Stay truthful to yourself and what you need to do or ask T for your protection.

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Old Jul 23, 2010, 12:24 AM
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I was thinking this morning about what my t told me yesterday and am kind of questioning something.

Recently, my h told me that my t is probably getting ready to retire, and that the reason she didn't respond to my email regarding my attachment to her was because she was trying to push me away to get me to stand on my own two feet in preparation for her going away.

So 2 weeks ago, I asked her if this is the reason. She said "No, if i were getting ready to retire, i would be drawing you closer, not pushing you away, because i don't want the experience to feel like another bad abandonment for you."

Yet. . .yesterday she revealed that she has a side to her that is kind of dismissive/uneasy when it comes to being emotionally demonstrative (can't think of the right term for it). As in, she didn't know how to respond to my email message telling her how attached I feel.

Is there a contradiction here? Do you think maybe she thinks i need the attachment and wants to provide that for me. . .but that on a personal level, she is not really all that comfortable with it?

I saw a pic once of her with her kids, and noticed that while they all have their arms around each other, she is standing with her arms in front of her. Just a coincidence? Or maybe pointing to her not being a touchy-feely person??

just a thought.
Peaches...You don't know me, nor I you, so please take this as intended i.e. caring.
You got the most beautiful response from your T and came to an equally great ephipany regarding her . Please stop over thinking this. It isn't productive or good for you. You are tearing yourself up after what should have been a comforting session. Please be kind to you.
Thanks for this!
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Old Jul 23, 2010, 05:11 AM
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Peaches, that was such an honest email you sent to your T. I am really glad you stuck with this. You needed more healing and you "went for it." That's fantastic!! You took risks with no guarantee of a good outcome, but yet you got one. That is how it is so often. We never know if our risk of letting ourselves be vulnerable will be worth it or result in healing or love or other good things. Sometimes we can crash and burn, and I know you have had many disappointments in your life growing up. So it took a lot to keep with it and not shy away from your feelings. I loved reading this thread and your "happy ending" after you got T's email.

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I know this email is inconvenient and annoying. But the alternative is to tell you in session....
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We don’t need to talk about the specific email incident anymore. We don’t even need to talk about our relationship, or attachment....
But you did talk about it at your session, peaches, and so much good came of it. There is no way you could have had that important conversation through a series of emails. In the future, when you are reluctant to talk about your feelings and make yourself vulnerable and tempted to instead write all that in an email to your T, I hope you can recall what happened in session, face to face, with your T, and draw inspiration from it.

I loved your T's response. It was so very honest. Now was not a time for her to go all formal and aloof and refuse to self-disclose. And she didn't. She came through with flying colors and told you so much about herself and her relationship with you as well as others in her life. She was so very real. Without getting defensive, she was also very able to look at what you called to her attention about herself and discover something new about herself and share with you her desire to learn more about herself and perhaps even to change.

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I didn’t say anything wrong. She wasn’t trying to discourage my attachment. She just feels a bit uncomfortable when it comes to expressing her feelings and did not know how to respond to a message like the one I sent!
I breathed such a huge sigh of relief to read your realization. Yay!!!

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She told me No, she does not get those kinds of emails from her other clients.
That must have felt good to hear that. I am sometimes hesitant to accept the "specialness" of my relationship with my T and can fall into telling myself that oh he is that way with all his clients, oh he has gone through this a thousand times with clients, oh he would do this for any client, etc. And it really isn't true. It is so validating to get acknowledgement from the T on this.

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I think things are finally getting back on track again.
Yay!

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if i can "hang onto this" in my heart,...
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I was thinking this morning about what my t told me yesterday and am kind of questioning something.
Ummmm, Peaches, you're not hanging onto this in your heart. You're going into distrustful hyper-analytic mode and trying to shortchange yourself some joy and healing from your session with T. Can you give yourself a few days or weeks to savor what happened between you and your T? It was great! You deserve to take your time with this and not immediately launch into more doubt and distrust. Peaches, you really do deserve this. Please slow down and enjoy....

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Old Jul 23, 2010, 12:50 PM
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Hi Peaches,

I am just now reading this and something jumped out at me, I wonder if it is worth thinking about...

you said >>> >>> I know that while you want to help me, you don’t feel attached or love me like a parent. It’s a horrible, painful reality I have to learn. I have to stop wanting it. There’s nobody who could ever love child parts that way. If I could get rid of the child parts, I could get rid of the desire and need. <<<

there's nobody? There's you, Peaches.
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Have you ever tried John Bradshaw's exercise for getting in touch with your inner child? It's probably in his book "The Shame that Binds" (which I didn't care for really, except for this part). I gather it's some sort of self hypnosis, or similar; but the point of it is for adult Peaches to meet little Peaches at some age and to talk to her; to say,
I am here, little one,
I know you and care about you like no one else ever could (or did, if that's your case);
I will listen to you when no one else can;
I am never going away from you,
I will always be here for you.

do you think your T could help you into that? You can no more get rid of the little Peaches than you can change the past. If it were possible to do so, you would not be the person you are today.

this may not be what you are needing to hear but I thought maybe it would help. You say, "no need to answer, T," but I sense that you really really reeeeeeeallllllyyyyy do want T to go into this with you to a very deep level.
Be brave - I know this is a big challenge - hugs to you

Hi Sittingatwater'sedge,

I've seen John Bradshaw books but have never actually read one. This is something that i will definitely look into.

I decided last night i am going to have to start really working hard with the inner child part of me. What i'm going to do is whenever she feels empty and anxious, and gets that urge to email t, i'm going to take a few minutes to sit with her, talk to her and try to comfort her. Also, i will let her imagine being with t, sitting next to her, or i will remind her of things t has said that made little one feel good. if i can just reintroduce those good connected feelings inside, then the urge to contact my t reduces.
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Old Jul 23, 2010, 12:52 PM
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PS - My t has been working with the adult me to start listening to and getting to know that small child part inside. I know she's there and try to be like a comforting mom, but it still feels kind of "hokey," like she doesn't want me to comfort her, she wants t. But I'm willing to keep trying. . .
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Old Jul 23, 2010, 12:54 PM
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(((((((((peaches))))))))))

i don't think you said the wrong thing at all. you are really brave to say all that to T. i wish i knew what the answer is for you as i hear so much pain in your heart. maybe there is a place in between totally opening up to people and getting hurt and totally closing yourself off.

i totally understand your not wanting to cry in front of T but i wondered if you were able to cry about this on your own. have you been able to get the emotions out at all? it might help if you haven't.


Hi Bloom,

I liked what you said here:

maybe there is a place in between totally opening up to people and getting hurt and totally closing yourself off.


I have not found that middle ground, so i tend to swing from one extreme to the other.

About crying. . .after i read your email, i did cry. i do let myself do that sometimes. i did it on purpose before my session because i wanted to go in as the "adult" and not as little Peaches. So i cried and then "put it all away" so i could go see t and not feel vulnerable.
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Old Jul 23, 2010, 12:58 PM
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Peaches,
I don't think you are a fool at all !! I think your therapist needs to know these parts of you, she has no way of reading your mind so unless they are expressed she will never know how what she did or didn't do affects you.

I think you wrote that very clearly. I can totally relate to not wanting to express attachment for fear of rejection. I keep walls up between my therapist and I for that very same reason. To keep myself safe, while I know its because of past hurts, I still am too protective of myself. I have been hurt and I am afraid to go out on that ledge and be hurt again, not just yet anyways.

I think you were totally brave to let that out. I believe many therapists have a hard time accepting how clients feel about them, or don't particulary know how to respond to those types of emails......hahah perhaps because of their own insecurities....

You did great !! Thats why your in therapy in the first place, to understand who you are, how you feel and to work hard through those things. Please don't doubt your feelings, they are yours and they are real !!

Hi Hangingon,

Thanks for calling me brave. I guess a part of me must be! Even though i get soooooo scared sometimes anticipating what her reaction will be. I don't know how many times i've worred about "saying the wrong thing," "going too far this time," "ruining everything," after i get brave and spill my guts. My stomach gets all tied up in knots and so anxiety ridden! But my t never has reacted badly to what i've said to her. Not replying is, I guess, the worst thing she's done. She has never acted like i'd said bad or wrong or weird. Sp the more she reacts fine to what i say, the bolder i guess i get!
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Old Jul 23, 2010, 12:59 PM
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There is no "wrong" thing to say. Don't pay attention to number of people reading, every time you call it up that counts too so every time you have posted has counted as 3; most of the people who have "read" it are you, yourself :-)

Perna,

Thanks for good reminder and your support.
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if i can just reintroduce those good connected feelings inside, then the urge to contact my t reduces.
thanks for saying this! gives me a lot to think about.
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Hugs. you know how much i get it or how much i relate is so profound. i struggle alot with the small parts and i have two t 's now that get that and are careful. we dont have communication outside session that could trigger the response you had cus we have done that. its hard to repair but worth it. cry if you have to ok it helps. you have to make a plan about what to talk about outside session. it helps. stick with it my friend this is part of the healing and one day you will see why. i wont tell you its something you have to descover on your own. k. breathe feel and know its a part of growth
Hi Minime,

I'm glad you can understand my struggles. Did you say that you and your t do not have any communication outside sessions? Or did you mean that you DO communicate, but you plan beforehand what you will talk about in between? (Sorry, i'm kinda dense and wasn't sure.) I probably should (and really need to) learn some way of "hanging on" to my connection with my t without needing the email because as helpful as it is when she replies, it only takes 1 non-reply or what feels like a terse or insensitive reply to make me totally spiral down. Thanks for encouraging me to keep on with the journey. Sometimes it is so exhausting and hard and painful and scary. . .
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Old Jul 23, 2010, 01:10 PM
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I think you are very brave to send your T that email. Now she will know EXACTLY how you feel. You're not foolish at all! I just wish there were an easy answer. As you know, I'm struggling with similar issues, and I'm getting attached to my new T in the same way. I know she will listen to the parts that want her to love me, but I know she wants me to love them because she can't be there for me in that way. I understand your pain and the pain of the child. I know the rejected feelings of not being reciprocated by the T. It hurts so deep inside.

I don't know what the answer is. I know you've tried very hard to love those parts yourself, and it hasn't worked. I would like to hope that letting those child parts be there totally, instead of presenting your adult self, and totally grieving for what you can't get from T would be the answer. I'm wishing that for myself, too. If not, I am at a loss. However, your T is experienced and wise. Maybe this email will help her decide how she can best help you. I hope your session is a good one.

Hi Rainbow,

Oh Rainbow, you know me well! You know how i struggle mightily with this attachment stuff. When i went on my session Wednesday, i couldn't let those vulnerable child parts of me be present in the room. i couldn't let them cry or grieve. It felt too scary/not safe for them to express feelings after they'd been so hurt. But i did attend the session as adult me and learned alot about my t, and i feel much better from that standpoint.

I hope soon i will feel safe and OK again about bringing out that vulnerable small part of me. She's been in hiding for over 1 month now since the email incident happened. It seems unbelieavable that something as small as t not responding to her feelings would send her into hiding. but it's true. she has felt rejected sooooooooo many times in life. . .and is always primed for it. any sign of it and she disappears.
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Old Jul 24, 2010, 03:46 AM
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Sounds like good plans Peaches! Good luck letting that little girl out in session with T! Please keep us posted!
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Old Jul 26, 2010, 11:43 AM
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Well, I “failed” my plan not to email my t.

I sent her a message from my adult self, as well as from the child. The adult message was telling her about a repetition I see in our therapy relationship of 1. Learning to trust and open up. 2. Facing my pain and t. assisting and helping to comfort me. 3. Feeling some relief and healing, which leads to 4. Emailing and telling t. how good I feel about therapy and that I feel attached to her, followed by 5. T. doesn’t reply or says something that makes me feel like she doesn’t care, 6. I feet hurt and it “undoes” all of the good feelings/attachment, 7. I distance emotionally from her because I feel she has done that to me. 8. We talk it over and resolve it. 9. I have to start all over at step 1 developing trust in the relationship again. I told her I don’t understand why this keeps happening. . .why just when I get to the point where I feel good about therapy and that we are starting to “get somewhere,” something happens to throw a wrench in it.

The child’s message was about how I feel when she does not reply to my email. Anxiety and hurt and pains in my stomach. Followed by shutting down and going into hiding.

Well anyway, after I sent the messages, I thought about how extreme my emotional reaction is whenever T. doesn’t reply to a message. I feel that this is pushing me away, that she is angry with me or doesn’t like me anymore, and I feel shame/bad for having bothered her. All of a sudden, I could see a link with what happened with my parents as a child.

When I was in grade school, I’d come home from school and really miss my mom. So I’d call her at work. Sometimes, one call did not feel like enough, and I would need to call her two or three times. I don’t know why, but I think I just craved the connection, felt empty, and needed to know she was there. Well, my dad would get very mad at me for calling my mom too often, and he would threaten to spank me if I called her again. This really hurt me inside. I “needed” something from my mom, and I ended up feeling that I was “bad” by needing that attachment/connection to her.

In the same way, I feel this compulsion to email T. at work. It’s like I need to know she is there. I need to know she has not forgotten about me or stopped liking me. It’s like a reassurance. But I feel bad about it too. I know I am bothering her, just like I was bothering my mom. And if she does not reply, then I feel like I am being punished. I feel like she is pushing me away, and that I am a bad person for wanting that attachment/connection to her.

So anyway. That’s the insight I had. Then I felt tears starting to come, so I went into a bathroom stall and cried. I’m OK now but am feeling sad. All I really wanted as that small child was to feel attached with my mom. And I ended up feeling bad and wrong.

I kind of wonder if . . .whenever I start to feel very attached with R. . .I’m the one who throws a wrench in it. . .because deep down I feel it is wrong or bad to want that. And any failure on her part to respond feels like a “reprimand” of sorts, some kind of punishment for being bad and bothering her at work.

Weird how those connections start forming when you think about them.

Maybe i won't be able to stop emailing until i resolved this traumatic memory. Do you think?

I hate it that i gave in. . .
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Old Jul 26, 2010, 01:51 PM
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Wow, excellent insight Peaches!! I think that after you resolve this old issue with your mom that your T won't trigger you anymore. Very Good Work Peaches!!
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