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Old Dec 31, 2016, 04:38 PM
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Lonesome tonight - omg, best dream ever!! (In another thread). I want for dinner whatever you had before that! Also i am telling my t it was my dream. how did you remember so much??
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Old Dec 31, 2016, 04:38 PM
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I don't see where I am not the equal of a therapist. Certainly they are not better, higher, smarter, more evolved, better educated, etc than I am.
In terms of dealing with them - I don't see it as unequal. I see it as a difference of currency - I hand them money for them to sit there. The money is my part - the sitting there is theirs. I do not consider their sitting there to make them better than my money part.
Quite right. T is not your equal. T is your employee.
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Old Dec 31, 2016, 04:40 PM
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Don't know where to put this out there... sending it into the ether of cyberspace...

Ok, emailed t. I hope it wasn't a mistake, I hope I get what I am looking for in response, I hope I can stop being so critical of t - she is human, and she is not making mistakes; even though, things are not feeling good.
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Old Dec 31, 2016, 05:07 PM
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I don't think a therapist should ever say "we are not equals." That's just a bid for control to me. They can believe it as much as they like, but be quiet about it.

Art - correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like every time you announce an intention to take a break, your therapist finds some way to stymie it. Possibly I'm seeing a pattern that isn't there, but whether or not it is there I agree with your husband - don't go. Fulfill your word to yourself before any obligation to her. And show her who's the boss. You might also find that you don't need her as much as you think - and she may be scared of you realizing that.
She has talked me out of it several times, you're right. The only reason part of me wants to go now is to tell her of my anger. I don't want to be passive-aggressive about it (like I have always been in the past) and just cancel. Thank you!!

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Art, I'm of two minds about your situation.

On the one hand, I know for myself that when I feel extraordinarily emotional, I've been triggered. That does not mean that the person who did the triggering was right--in this case, I think your therapist was really insensitive, considering the context of the discussion--but it might mean that you feel the same way, or fear there is truth in it, a kind of rejection of you and your worth. And that last part is worth looking at, because that's what follows you wherever you go. Again, it doesn't mean you don't have a right to be angry with your therapist, just that it could also be pointing to something deeper.

The other thing is that there is a bigger context here, which is that you went in wanting to discuss your relationship and wanting to matter to her beyond being a client (sorry if I got that wrong), and her comments were clobbering during a time you made yourself vulnerable. She messed up.

Bottom line: You don't owe her anything. Not a session on the 7th or anytime she suggests. This is your path and part of it is finding your own way, and that could mean some coming and going and breaks to sort things out.

I wish you the best in this. I hope you can see all the good that's coming out of defining yourself and your value.
what I bolded - that absolutely what happened. i was about as vulnerable as i have ever made myself in there and yeah, i felt clobbered. I am trying very hard to see that I don't owe her anything (beyond paying for my sessions of course, which I always do).

I am beginning to see that there is good coming out of this yes, this defining myself and my value. thank you!!!

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I don't see where I am not the equal of a therapist. Certainly they are not better, higher, smarter, more evolved, better educated, etc than I am.
In terms of dealing with them - I don't see it as unequal. I see it as a difference of currency - I hand them money for them to sit there. The money is my part - the sitting there is theirs. I do not consider their sitting there to make them better than my money part.
Thank you for this. She does have a higher level of degree than I do, but that doesn't make her a better person. And come to think of it, if she is going to sit there and say she's so much better than me, well that kinda makes her LESS of a person than I am actually, doesn't it?!

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My two cents is, its like she's playing the t card. She can see things i cant. Thats what we want them to do, etc.

OTOH, and this is where i ended up with my t, is - do i go to t because he says so? I.e., do i go for him, or do i go for me? Because at first i went because i was helpless, almost as if i had no choice. But now i am developing agency. So when we disagree, its the rapprochement problem all over again - if i stand up to him, do i lose him, like i lost my parents?
I like what you said there - "do I go for him, or do I go for me?" I go for me. But yeah - I'm also afraid to express my anger to her, because if I do I might have to deal with her anger right back (like with my parents) OR I will lose her.

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Stupid thing for a T to say.
I agree. Especially her timing, when I was so vulnerable after admitting how I felt. I think it was made doubly hurtful because she has never ever made me feel like I was any less than her as a person.

Thank you EVERYONE for your thoughts! So much appreciated!!
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Old Dec 31, 2016, 05:09 PM
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Quite right. T is not your equal. T is your employee.
I need to remember this!! I wonder what would have happened if I had responded to her "We are not equals" with "You're right. I employ you. And I can choose to NOT employ you, too."

So there, T!!!
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Old Dec 31, 2016, 05:10 PM
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She has talked me out of it several times, you're right. The only reason part of me wants to go now is to tell her of my anger. I don't want to be passive-aggressive about it (like I have always been in the past) and just cancel. Thank you!!

Well, it is not going to be a big deal to the therapist - she gets paid for you to go tell her.
I personally both cancel until I am ready, send the woman a list of her faults, and then tell the woman how she failed in person when I decide to go back- for me, that way, although she is still getting money from me - at least it is on my schedule and not hers.
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Old Dec 31, 2016, 05:21 PM
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Well, it is not going to be a big deal to the therapist - she gets paid for you to go tell her.
I personally both cancel until I am ready, send the woman a list of her faults, and then tell the woman how she failed in person when I decide to go back- for me, that way, although she is still getting money from me - at least it is on my schedule and not hers.
I don't know if I am yet strong enough to do it that way. I'd still be afraid that she wouldn't let me come back. And I'm not ready to end things for good with her yet. But I can definitely appreciate the "at least it is on my schedule and not hers" part!

ETA: But then again, I can definitely think of other things I would enjoy doing with the money that I pay her...
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Old Dec 31, 2016, 05:25 PM
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The stupidest thing about all of this angst on my part is that she doesn't know anything about it!!
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Old Dec 31, 2016, 05:27 PM
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hi, just saying hi. happy new year. i dont post in here much at all...but i read sometimes... i hope thats not creepy
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Old Dec 31, 2016, 05:29 PM
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Hi! Happy New year! And no, reading is not creepy. I read other threads I don't comment on. Mostly I stay here on the couch and the dear t thread, but sometimes I read elsewhere.....
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Old Dec 31, 2016, 05:52 PM
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Watching 50 First Dates. I love Adam Sandler & Drew Barrymore they're so cute together
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Old Dec 31, 2016, 06:04 PM
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Lonesome tonight - omg, best dream ever!! (In another thread). I want for dinner whatever you had before that! Also i am telling my t it was my dream. how did you remember so much??
I've always had pretty vivid, memorable dreams. Though I think I remember more details since I've been on an SSRI, actually. And I had a spinach and bean burrito with guac and sour cream

Pretty sure the best T/MC-related dream I had was the one a year ago where I was basically in an episode of Law & Order, and MC was there as the psychiatrist. The bad guys were targeting police officers, and I was all worried about MC (not sure what my role was in the dream exactly). Someone was supposed to be guarding his house, and I went there, and the guard said he was sleeping on the couch. I lifted up the blankets, and it was just a bunch of pillows! He'd been kidnapped and was being held hostage. I somehow figured out where he was and saved him. Then he kissed me.

I told him about that dream at one point (leaving out that last detail), and he was like, "Oh, of course you had me in the role of the short guy (referring to BD Wong)." I was like, "Yeah, but he's hot!"

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Old Dec 31, 2016, 06:22 PM
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Well, h's friend just called and invited us to their New Years Eve get-together, nothing like last minute, oh well. That's ok. I guess I'll force myself to go, it will likely do me some good to go drink wine with friends and not think about therapy for awhile!!

Happy New Year everyone!
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Old Dec 31, 2016, 07:47 PM
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I went over to have dinner with my parents and the family member who traumatized me was there, did a surprise drop in. He's not scary or threatening at all now, but seeing him retraumatizes me every. time. And it being unexpected made it even worse. I made an excuse to leave to run an errand within ten minutes, and then he left, but it messed me up.

T just met with me again the other day to help me out of crisis mode. I was just starting to recover from Christmas.
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Old Dec 31, 2016, 08:00 PM
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Have a great time Art!! I hope it's better than you are anticipating.

Skeksi. That would mess me up too. I hope you find a safe place to feel peace. Music helps me. Calming music. Hug if wanted.
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Old Dec 31, 2016, 08:42 PM
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(((Lt))) thanks! And that dinner is totally do-able!

Law and order - unconscious intent!
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Old Dec 31, 2016, 09:00 PM
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hi, just saying hi. happy new year. i dont post in here much at all...but i read sometimes... i hope thats not creepy


Hi. I hang a lot too and sometimes don't say much.

Glad you said hello.
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Old Dec 31, 2016, 09:00 PM
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Tried to pull my blankets out from under old dog in the middle of the night. She is about 60 pounds. My hand slipped and I punched myself in the face. Really, really hard. Starting the new year with a black eye. Sigh. Ducking 2016 hates me and the thought of having to exist through an entire whole year is making me sick to my stomach. Especially with Cheeto Satan in charge.
I know you're feeling down..and that must have hurt BAD...but i might have giggled a little, mainly because it is something i would do to myself. Good thing I just have cats
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I like what you said there - "do I go for him, or do I go for me?" I go for me. But yeah - I'm also afraid to express my anger to her, because if I do I might have to deal with her anger right back (like with my parents) OR I will lose her.
You know there are more than 2 options, right? She seems like a good T, so she could just apologize and realize the error of her ways and work on trying to repair the rupture with you.
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Old Dec 31, 2016, 09:07 PM
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Idea. Thought I'd look for a calming place to see myself for the night. This is what I found.

Couch 127: The Wayward Couch

I'm cooking rotel dip, BBQ smokies and some cheesy corn dip. I'm picking a spot and bringing the goodies.

Anyone is welcome to hang out and talk, or not. It may be a place to just be for company. It looks like a place I would like to be.

Alcohol is not prohibited if wanted. Please be nice. Couch 127: The Wayward Couch

I'm thinking the temp is in the 50s and the fireworks are visible but not heard.
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Old Dec 31, 2016, 09:19 PM
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Sounds lovely! I will bring some spinach and artichoke dip.
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Old Dec 31, 2016, 09:20 PM
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Oh that sounds good!! Glad you're here!
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Old Dec 31, 2016, 09:21 PM
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Aw, TrailRunner, you're helping me feel better! Thanks.
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Old Dec 31, 2016, 09:31 PM
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Pretty much forgot that it's New Years' Eve.
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Old Dec 31, 2016, 09:32 PM
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Come join us Ruh Roh!! It doesn't feel like it to me either.
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Old Dec 31, 2016, 09:48 PM
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I have some Chex mix that I just made. And I will bring diet coke. No alcohol for me.

Art; you have had bad sessions before and you always figure it out and t never dumps you. Sounds like she misspoke or something. It is clear from your posts here that she respects and likes you.

I think Ruh Roh said that it seems like something has triggered you. That makes sense to me. By the time that appointment comes around, you will have figured out what it was and why. And maybe then would be a good time to decide if you want to keep the appointment. I think your idea of putting the whole thing away for a bit (maybe until the appointment) also makes a lot of sense. Hope you have a good time at the party.

Happy New Year, everyone. I hope to be asleep when the new year comes. Tomorrow I have a road trip to rescue two horses. I like doing that. Good way to start the year!
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