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Old Jul 30, 2017, 01:57 PM
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therein lies the problem for me anyway, i think. my t used my attachment too as part of the healing process. she (i guess) just didn't know how to keep my attachment from turning into emotional dependency and then once it did, she didn't see it, and neither did i, so we weren't able to 'correct course' when we should have to prevent this ultimate collapse of the whole thing. that's my two cents anyway on my own situation 11 days out from my last session.
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Old Jul 30, 2017, 02:08 PM
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therein lies the problem for me anyway, i think. my t used my attachment too as part of the healing process. she (i guess) just didn't know how to keep my attachment from turning into emotional dependency and then once it did, she didn't see it, and neither did i, so we weren't able to 'correct course' when we should have to prevent this ultimate collapse of the whole thing. that's my two cents anyway on my own situation 11 days out from my last session.
Thank you !! It often goes into emotional attachment and there is a small grey area and so often it flips over into this...then the therapist terminates and bingo another loss !
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Old Jul 30, 2017, 02:19 PM
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T terminates because of the attachment you mean? Why would s/he do that? Attachment is a regular outcome in all human relations. I would be more surprised if there were not attachment to T than when there is.
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Old Jul 30, 2017, 02:32 PM
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T terminates because of the attachment you mean? Why would s/he do that? Attachment is a regular outcome in all human relations. I would be more surprised if there were not attachment to T than when there is.
That's my understanding too.
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T terminates because of the attachment you mean? Why would s/he do that? Attachment is a regular outcome in all human relations. I would be more surprised if there were not attachment to T than when there is.
That didn't make sense to me either. My T and i are going through a gigantic rupture right now. The attachment is the thing that keeps me working on stuff. Which today led to a realization about how I disown my own power in an attempt to placate mother figures.
Without the attachment i would have bailed because it hurt too much and tbat issue would still be under the surface.
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Old Jul 30, 2017, 02:38 PM
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therein lies the problem for me anyway, i think. my t used my attachment too as part of the healing process. she (i guess) just didn't know how to keep my attachment from turning into emotional dependency and then once it did, she didn't see it, and neither did i, so we weren't able to 'correct course' when we should have to prevent this ultimate collapse of the whole thing. that's my two cents anyway on my own situation 11 days out from my last session.
I feel so sorry that this situation has happened to you. I just feel that you have 'unfinished' business with your T. I feel that you 'need' this issue resolved in some way, even if that means you go back in November. At the moment, you have no closure & nor do you have the opportunity to process this mess. IMO, you deserve answers from her & even if you still feel hurt by her after that session, at least you can put your feelings out there on the table. You can then walk out of her office knowing that you tried as much as you possibly could.
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Old Jul 30, 2017, 03:24 PM
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It really took the painful stuff of this implosion of my 'relationship' with t, to be able to see it for what it was on my part - emotional dependency - absolutely. Funny I guess how it (my attachment to her) worked for a long time - I made some really significant changes to myself during the almost 6 years and was feeling good enough to want to end, then after we started that working towards ending in November, it all imploded and apparently I have quit (with the exception of perhaps going back for one closure session), and I'm at a loss what the hell happened. But, the upside is, I now see how emotionally dependent I had become on her, which was definitely NOT healthy, and that comes from this insatiable need inside me for maternal approval, that I was getting from her as well, instead of learning to find that inside myself, bla bla bla, and I wish she had seen it and been able to work on it with me.

Incidentally I recently ran across an online quiz about "Childhood Emotional Neglect". I took the quiz and yeah. Describes me pretty well. Not something my t ever talked about. It's like, that emotional neglect on top of the other 'stuff' growing up, paved the way for this to happen with t.

Anyway I'm reading a book about healing from it now. It's interesting.
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That didn't make sense to me either. My T and i are going through a gigantic rupture right now. The attachment is the thing that keeps me working on stuff. Which today led to a realization about how I disown my own power in an attempt to placate mother figures.
Without the attachment i would have bailed because it hurt too much and tbat issue would still be under the surface.
Well true and yeah I can see how for awhile, my attachment did keep me working on stuff. But what I'm trying to articulate and failing is that my attachment somehow became more than that - it became emotional dependency and so basically I was relying on her to fill needs that I should have been working on learning to fill for myself - the very deep-seated need for maternal approval - like it was easier to just let her meet it and not work on it - and neither of us saw that that was happening.
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What book are you reading?
it's called Running On Empty by Jonice Webb, PhD. I've only barely started it, so who knows if it's really any good or not but it's interesting so far.
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Old Jul 30, 2017, 03:42 PM
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it's called Running On Empty by Jonice Webb, PhD. I've only barely started it, so who knows if it's really any good or not but it's interesting so far.
I really liked it.
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Old Jul 30, 2017, 03:46 PM
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I really liked it.
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Old Jul 30, 2017, 03:53 PM
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Well true and yeah I can see how for awhile, my attachment did keep me working on stuff. But what I'm trying to articulate and failing is that my attachment somehow became more than that - it became emotional dependency and so basically I was relying on her to fill needs that I should have been working on learning to fill for myself - the very deep-seated need for maternal approval - like it was easier to just let her meet it and not work on it - and neither of us saw that that was happening.
I guess i don't understand this. To some degree we are emotionally dependent on all the important people in our lives. Maybe she does not have the skill to do what you need her to, or maybe something else is going on. But i don't understand the difference between attachment and dependency in the way you interact with your T. I mean when i think negative emotional dependency its where you can't make a decision on your own or hold a job or whatever

I honestly think this forum sometimes pathologizes normal human attachment and behavior.

You have a husband. A family, a job, friends hobbies, all without your T. It makes no sense to me that you see yourself as pathologically dependent on someobe you meet with every other week. That's just normal dependency in my mind. We all need other people.

I guess i just don't get ir. You appear to function just fine without your T except for being emotional which is a normal part of relationships. I'd be equally upset if I had a big fight with a good friend.
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i give up. i'll stay away from this thread now.
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I honestly think this forum sometimes pathologizes normal human attachment and behavior.
Best quote ever on a pc forum. Totally agree
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Old Jul 30, 2017, 04:03 PM
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I also don't get finding everything in yourself. Not everything can be found in yourself. For maternal approval you need a mother figure
For warm sibling like bonding you need close friends
To experience care taking you need to take care of someone or something
We are social creatures and are fulfilled by relationship
My T and i are working on the maternal thing right now. The idea as she puts it isn't to mother myself all the time. It's ok to get maternal care taking or approval from others.
But i need a strong enough sense of myself and my own self worth to take the nourishment from the approval etc, WITHOUT being broken or crushed by the inevitable rejection or indifference out there. To know I am worthy of love whether this maternal person loves me or not

I don't want to be finding everything in myself all the time. Then what is the point of sharing life with others??? But i also want to love myself no m atter what the other people do
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i give up. i'll stay away from this thread now.
Yeah, it's gonna trigger you in certain ways and it will get your mind racing.
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Old Jul 30, 2017, 04:35 PM
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Honestly you seem bitter and resentful towards people who have good relationships with their therapists
Bitter and resentful? Nope. I have a good relationship with my current therapist, she's alright. But I don't care about her. That was my whole point: don't invest so much energy into a relationship that isn't real. I find it interesting that you're assuming I'm bitter because I don't find most therapeutic relationships on this forum (including your own by the way) healthy at all. That sounds pretty defensive and like I've hit a nerve.
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Old Jul 30, 2017, 04:38 PM
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I think the emotional attachment and bonding is that which goes beyond what the T could and should provide. When we begin to seek things from a T that they can't offer and goes beyond them being an avenue of self-reflection.

My wounding is not your wounding. We all have very unique emotional scar tissue. Im sure for some, it can and has worked but with my nature and the way I'm built, I wouldn't seek to become emotionally tied to a person who cannot reciprocate it. I become drawn to a certain type of person, only to play out the situation again and again.
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Old Jul 30, 2017, 04:49 PM
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I guess i don't understand this. To some degree we are emotionally dependent on all the important people in our lives. Maybe she does not have the skill to do what you need her to, or maybe something else is going on. But i don't understand the difference between attachment and dependency in the way you interact with your T. I mean when i think negative emotional dependency its where you can't make a decision on your own or hold a job or whatever

I honestly think this forum sometimes pathologizes normal human attachment and behavior.

You have a husband. A family, a job, friends hobbies, all without your T. It makes no sense to me that you see yourself as pathologically dependent on someobe you meet with every other week. That's just normal dependency in my mind. We all need other people.

I guess i just don't get ir. You appear to function just fine without your T except for being emotional which is a normal part of relationships. I'd be equally upset if I had a big fight with a good friend.
You don't have to understand it for it to be true for her. It's her reality.
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Old Jul 30, 2017, 05:04 PM
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Bitter and resentful? Nope. I have a good relationship with my current therapist, she's alright. But I don't care about her. That was my whole point: don't invest so much energy into a relationship that isn't real. I find it interesting that you're assuming I'm bitter because I don't find most therapeutic relationships on this forum (including your own by the way) healthy at all. That sounds pretty defensive and like I've hit a nerve.
Lol. Ok. I just remember you pining away for your previous T so you can stop acting like you're above it
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Old Jul 30, 2017, 05:40 PM
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Lol. Ok. I just remember you pining away for your previous T so you can stop acting like you're above it
Well I've moved on. Realized how unhealthy it all was. I'm not above it, I have simply changed. Again, it seems I've hit a nerve since you keep attacking me. Pretty telling.
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Old Jul 30, 2017, 05:41 PM
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Well I've moved on. Realized how unhealthy it all was. I'm not above it, I have simply changed. Again, it seems I've hit a nerve since you keep attacking me. Pretty telling.
Yeah I'm having an existential crisis bc of a disagreement on an Internet forum
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Old Jul 30, 2017, 05:51 PM
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I guess I'm attached to my T. Well, my prevT. Have I told her that? Yes. Not with so many words at first, though someone who isn't stupid could have guessed it by my bahaviour sometimes. She acted understandable, that it's normal to get attached to someone to who you've been telling personal things for so long, blahblahblah. I don't think she really understands it, not really, not how it feels, how bad it can be...
I'm still not over it. She works at the same practise as current T. I haven't seen prevT for over 7 months. I sort of cut contact with her. Answering her two emails since our last session with ''I don't know what I want or what I should do''. I'm feel angry and I'm stuborn.
Attachement sucks. Especially to a T. **** it.
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Old Jul 30, 2017, 09:15 PM
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I honestly think this forum sometimes pathologizes normal human attachment and behavior.
I find it much more disturbing that therapy relationships are so frequently conflated with real-world intimate relationships. That's how many people get burned. They start believing there is some emotional bond as in a real relationship.

Attachment or dependency is context-specific. It's not always healthy or prudent. I think it's very easy to make the case that therapy attachment constitutes a perversion of basic human attachment needs. Just because some people overcome inherent problems in this arrangement doesnt make it healthy fundamentally.

I think that one of these attachments that does NOT create hell for the client ought to be seen as an anomaly. This is backed up by the endless horror stories on every therapy blog and forum.

I find it objectionable that the biz tries to insinuate itself into people's lives, as if everyone should have family, friends, and a therapist.
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Old Jul 31, 2017, 04:38 AM
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I don't think the forum pathologizes normal human behavior nearly as much as I think therapists are the ones who do.
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