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Old Jan 17, 2024, 06:56 AM
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We only ate together on holidays - each aunt got one of the 3. Birthdays were held on sundays at 4 pmish, after you ate dinner at home. Card parties were friday, saturday, sunday nights, again after dinner. My mom made pizza in later years.

As the only girl, i wasnt really included in the playing, except for Monopoly or card games. I sat and read books on the holidays.
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Old Jan 17, 2024, 08:00 AM
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Lemon, those instances sound responsible, professional, and no-nonsense to me.
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Old Jan 17, 2024, 08:56 AM
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So twice this week I've been called assertive and a b***h.

Examples include:

1. Telling someone in a corridor : "If you want to walk with me, you're going to have to catch up. I'm not waiting".

2. Posting in a group chat : "Getting other people's work, signed off is not my responsibility".

3. I had agreed to meet up with someone at 11. I had already waited 15 mins and after three missed calls and messages. They finally replied. They had overslept. I told them I was not going to wait. That I was leaving. She said I completely changed and turned into a b****h when I was angry. I wasn't particularly angry, just didn't want to wait for her to get dressed. Then factor in travel time for her to get to me. I didn't even have time to have coffee and breakfast in the morning so wanted to eat.

Most people are not used to women having boundaries. The old me used to put the needs over others before my own.

I agree with Una that those sound reasonable. I think many people become confused when we used to just put others' needs first and now are standing up for ourselves (I'm putting myself in that category, too).
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Old Jan 17, 2024, 12:31 PM
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I'm sorry for your loss, Artie. And thankful it was a peaceful experience. I've had to do it with 3 of my babies. It's hard.
Thanks Scarlet. Even when they're clearly ready, like Stormy was... it's still hard.

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So sorry, Artie. I'm glad your soul feels at peace though.
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I'm so sorry for your loss.

I'm sure Stormy knew and felt that he was loved. You gave him a wonderful life and a safe home with you.
thanks Lemon. He did. there's definitely an emptiness in the house today.
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Old Jan 17, 2024, 01:05 PM
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Old Jan 17, 2024, 01:34 PM
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RIP Stormy. Hugs Artie. I know that was a hard choice to make.
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Old Jan 17, 2024, 02:23 PM
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Thanks Scarlet. Even when they're clearly ready, like Stormy was... it's still hard.


Thanks LT.


thanks Lemon. He did. there's definitely an emptiness in the house today.
Did the vet also make paw prints for you?

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Old Jan 17, 2024, 02:26 PM
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Lemon, those instances sound responsible, professional, and no-nonsense to me.
#Growth without therapy or maybe it's because of all the bad therapy I did?

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Old Jan 17, 2024, 02:33 PM
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#Growth without therapy or maybe it's because of all the bad therapy I did?

You were still engaging, negotiating, expressing and integrating your feelings in a relatively safe space. I.e., doing the work!
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Old Jan 17, 2024, 07:56 PM
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The poem a day for a year challenge I'm embarking on starts today... woohoo!
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Old Jan 17, 2024, 10:01 PM
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Couch mini-poll. Which phrase do you like better:

“Kindly copy me on the email.”

“Please copy me on the email.”

I prefer the second, the first sounds like an order.

Context: non-native English speaker colleague who prefers “kindly” to “please.”
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Old Jan 17, 2024, 11:29 PM
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Kindly sounds like they are trying to effect an attitude adjustment on the way to copying the email. Kindly do not address me in that tone of voice. It's more authoritative. Please is just a place holder, almost. Kindly puts too much thought and emphasis on it. Please implies doing it as a matter of course. Kindly silently adds "you ingrate!" to the end of the sentence.

Eta - i love these kindsa discussions! My recent facebook treatise on "your an idiot" was remarkably well-received.
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Old Jan 18, 2024, 12:01 AM
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I would say "please...."
but I don't read offense into "Kindly..." - even without knowing it was from a non-native english speaker - I would first consider it to be a regional thing. Knowing it was from a non-native english speaker would really cause me to not think twice about it.
If it is a situation where you are trying to explain to the colleague a difference in how the two could be received -the explanation of order v request might put it into an understandable context for them.

In conclusion - I don't have strong feelings about it either way. For me, it is a tie.
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Old Jan 18, 2024, 03:14 AM
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Couch mini-poll. Which phrase do you like better:

“Kindly copy me on the email.”

“Please copy me on the email.”

I prefer the second, the first sounds like an order.

Context: non-native English speaker colleague who prefers “kindly” to “please.”
2 sounds better.
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Old Jan 18, 2024, 06:51 AM
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I would prefer please.
I agree with the attitude adjustment comment.
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Old Jan 18, 2024, 07:10 AM
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Couch mini-poll. Which phrase do you like better:

“Kindly copy me on the email.”

“Please copy me on the email.”

I prefer the second, the first sounds like an order.

Context: non-native English speaker colleague who prefers “kindly” to “please.”

I prefer "please."


I have noticed non-native English speakers seem more likely to use "kindly." So I just chalk it up to that (if I receive that in an email). I also think "kindly" seems more formal.
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Old Jan 18, 2024, 07:31 AM
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Definitely, LT.

I think there's a prevailing idea about politeness which seems to have permeated a lot with people who speak English as a second language.

I'm not sure whether that's a British thing, or if it's also in the US.
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Old Jan 18, 2024, 09:28 AM
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I don't read the "kindly" as the speaker's demand/request for the reader to "be kind", but rather that the speaker is saying "I ask this kindly". As in, I'm trying to be kind. Not- you should be kind.
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Old Jan 18, 2024, 09:58 AM
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Just when you thought the couch couldn't get any more intellectual, we go full Derrida.
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Old Jan 18, 2024, 10:19 AM
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In other philosophical enquiry, did you all know that if you click on the number of replies for a thread, it shows you the number of posts per contributor? I am thinking we should have some sort of prize giving ceremony for the leader board. We could donate prizes: an Artie afghan, jar of stopdog's dehydrated fruit (not a euphemism), una's ... well, I am not sure we want to pry into what una would donate. This could really have legs.
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Old Jan 18, 2024, 10:30 AM
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I would say "please...."
but I don't read offense into "Kindly..." - even without knowing it was from a non-native english speaker - I would first consider it to be a regional thing. Knowing it was from a non-native english speaker would really cause me to not think twice about it.
If it is a situation where you are trying to explain to the colleague a difference in how the two could be received -the explanation of order v request might put it into an understandable context for them.

In conclusion - I don't have strong feelings about it either way. For me, it is a tie.
The problem is she is junior faculty, I am her assigned mentor, and the students and her senior colleagues HATE kindly. So I am tasked with explaining this to her and suggesting she swap out kindly for please.

Generally she comes across as autocratic and kindly is not helping her.
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Old Jan 18, 2024, 10:33 AM
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Oh moo, thats why i love you. "Not a euphemism" has to be one of the funniest lines in the english language.
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Old Jan 18, 2024, 10:39 AM
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In other philosophical enquiry, did you all know that if you click on the number of replies for a thread, it shows you the number of posts per contributor? I am thinking we should have some sort of prize giving ceremony for the leader board. We could donate prizes: an Artie afghan, jar of stopdog's dehydrated fruit (not a euphemism), una's ... well, I am not sure we want to pry into what una would donate. This could really have legs.
The leaders are often the same, why not switch it up?

Most interesting post
Most bathetic post
Shortest post not including “8 characters”
Lowest number of posts
Most insightful post

And una would obviously donate an apostrophe from her hidden store.
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Old Jan 18, 2024, 03:22 PM
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I've worked with a lot of people from India and "kindly do the needful" seems to be a common phrase there. Seems weirdly passive aggressive, but I don't think it's meant that way.
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Old Jan 18, 2024, 03:23 PM
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This reddit post made me think of the LT stone saga. Thought you might be amused at another therapist who doesn't understand transitional objects.

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