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#952
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Lemon, those instances sound responsible, professional, and no-nonsense to me.
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#953
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I agree with Una that those sound reasonable. I think many people become confused when we used to just put others' needs first and now are standing up for ourselves (I'm putting myself in that category, too). |
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#954
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thanks Lemon. He did. there's definitely an emptiness in the house today. |
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#955
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Hugs, Artie...and anyone else who would like.
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'Somewhere up above the great divide Where the sky is wide, and the clouds are few A man can see his way clear to the light 'You have all the grace you need for today, and today is all that matters.' - Steve Austin |
#956
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RIP Stormy. Hugs Artie. I know that was a hard choice to make.
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#957
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#958
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#959
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You were still engaging, negotiating, expressing and integrating your feelings in a relatively safe space. I.e., doing the work!
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#960
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The poem a day for a year challenge I'm embarking on starts today... woohoo!
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#961
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Couch mini-poll. Which phrase do you like better:
“Kindly copy me on the email.” “Please copy me on the email.” I prefer the second, the first sounds like an order. Context: non-native English speaker colleague who prefers “kindly” to “please.” |
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#962
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Kindly sounds like they are trying to effect an attitude adjustment on the way to copying the email. Kindly do not address me in that tone of voice. It's more authoritative. Please is just a place holder, almost. Kindly puts too much thought and emphasis on it. Please implies doing it as a matter of course. Kindly silently adds "you ingrate!" to the end of the sentence.
Eta - i love these kindsa discussions! My recent facebook treatise on "your an idiot" was remarkably well-received. |
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#963
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I would say "please...."
but I don't read offense into "Kindly..." - even without knowing it was from a non-native english speaker - I would first consider it to be a regional thing. Knowing it was from a non-native english speaker would really cause me to not think twice about it. If it is a situation where you are trying to explain to the colleague a difference in how the two could be received -the explanation of order v request might put it into an understandable context for them. In conclusion - I don't have strong feelings about it either way. For me, it is a tie.
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Please NO @ Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live, it is asking others to live as one wishes to live. Oscar Wilde Well Behaved Women Seldom Make History - Laurel Thatcher Ulrich Pain is inevitable. Suffering is optional. |
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#964
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2 sounds better.
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#965
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I would prefer please.
I agree with the attitude adjustment comment.
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'Somewhere up above the great divide Where the sky is wide, and the clouds are few A man can see his way clear to the light 'You have all the grace you need for today, and today is all that matters.' - Steve Austin |
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#966
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I prefer "please." I have noticed non-native English speakers seem more likely to use "kindly." So I just chalk it up to that (if I receive that in an email). I also think "kindly" seems more formal. |
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#967
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Definitely, LT.
I think there's a prevailing idea about politeness which seems to have permeated a lot with people who speak English as a second language. I'm not sure whether that's a British thing, or if it's also in the US.
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'Somewhere up above the great divide Where the sky is wide, and the clouds are few A man can see his way clear to the light 'You have all the grace you need for today, and today is all that matters.' - Steve Austin |
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I don't read the "kindly" as the speaker's demand/request for the reader to "be kind", but rather that the speaker is saying "I ask this kindly". As in, I'm trying to be kind. Not- you should be kind.
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#969
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Just when you thought the couch couldn't get any more intellectual, we go full Derrida.
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#970
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In other philosophical enquiry, did you all know that if you click on the number of replies for a thread, it shows you the number of posts per contributor? I am thinking we should have some sort of prize giving ceremony for the leader board. We could donate prizes: an Artie afghan, jar of stopdog's dehydrated fruit (not a euphemism), una's ... well, I am not sure we want to pry into what una would donate. This could really have legs.
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#971
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Generally she comes across as autocratic and kindly is not helping her. |
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#972
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Oh moo, thats why i love you. "Not a euphemism" has to be one of the funniest lines in the english language.
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#973
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Most interesting post Most bathetic post Shortest post not including “8 characters” Lowest number of posts Most insightful post And una would obviously donate an apostrophe from her hidden store. |
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#974
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I've worked with a lot of people from India and "kindly do the needful" seems to be a common phrase there. Seems weirdly passive aggressive, but I don't think it's meant that way.
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