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Old Jan 01, 2016, 05:16 PM
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" But, when you are the outsider, you come last. You are not the kids' parent, so it is not expected that the kids will wait while your partner attends to you. It's a totally different situation."

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Old Jan 01, 2016, 05:24 PM
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I don't "hate" single parents, I just would not have married one. That is not hatred or punishing the person. From what I've seen, most single parents have no problems finding dates or partners.

Personally, aside from the kids issue, I couldn't really relate to men who married at a young age, because I didn't do that. I did other things with my life in my 20s. So we were just coming from two different places. I also couldn't relate to the divorce drama since I'd never been through a divorce myself. I would listen and sympathize, but then I needed sometimes to talk about myself and my own needs. And found that I would need to talk to someone else for that.
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Old Jan 01, 2016, 05:26 PM
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I didn't say that. I said they should date each other, it does make it hard for single parent to date someone with kids. the constant *****ing from a single parent can't getting any dates is they should stick to other single parents since their commonality are the kids. I can tell you disagree with my stance on it, but that's fine. My life isn't gonna be messed up over it. Hmm, how would you like it if a single parent brought his or her kids with them on a date with you? That right tells me they couldn't find a suitable sitter to watch the kids for a while. I find it irresponsible to bring your kids with you on our date yet alone I gotta listen to them be obnoxious at a dinner table in public.

I have told a few single parents long ago the agreement is don't bring the kids with you to our meeting otherwise I am walking away and they agreed. Nothing wrong with being a step parent, that's true and true for others who feel the same way. I, for one, never agreed to be the step parent to their kids. Like I said, I don't relate to kids at all only relate to adults since I didn't like kids growing up and I was placed into a mini adult role that I shouldn't have been in the 1st back then. I live in an apt complex with noisy *** disrespectful kids, do I really want to date someone who has kids like that? What single parents do is their biz, don't bring your kids with you to adult activities is how I feel...
I guess the mindset has to be different. I personally dont mind kids and enjoy getting to act like a kid with them. If they brought them for dinner occasionally I would view it as them trying to see how we all get along. I understand not being a kid person. Not everyone is and some people are triggered by them or whatever. Makes sense to possibly avoid them. Just as long as its okay for people who do like kids to not be looked down upon for it too.
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Old Jan 01, 2016, 05:30 PM
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A similar thing happened with me and my (long ago) ex. I loved her and her daughter, and the kid had nothing to do with the break-up. However, when I had pretty invasive surgery, my girlfriend did not come to the hospital with me or take care of me afterwards. She said her daughter needed her full-time and she could not take care of me. I suggested both her and her daughter staying with me at my house so she could look after both of us for just a day or two (the kid was very young). She said no because her daughter would be less comfortable at my house. So, instead, I had a friend drive me home and bring me necessities and then I just managed by myself. .
Sorry you went through that, because I know what it is like to have surgery and not have anyone be around to help out afterward.

I experienced this when I had foot surgery.
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Old Jan 01, 2016, 05:53 PM
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I guess the mindset has to be different. I personally dont mind kids and enjoy getting to act like a kid with them. If they brought them for dinner occasionally I would view it as them trying to see how we all get along. I understand not being a kid person. Not everyone is and some people are triggered by them or whatever. Makes sense to possibly avoid them. Just as long as its okay for people who do like kids to not be looked down upon for it too.
On the first meeting? I think having dinner with the kids should be established later on once the two adults are exclusive with each other that's how I see it. I would be morbid if a person brought their child/children with them on the first meeting and I'd have to sit there "getting to know them." I'd probably ask for a doggy bag and eat my food at home.

To be honest, this is me and I speak for myself, I'd rather have the person bring their pet with them at least we will have a lot in common.
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Old Jan 01, 2016, 05:57 PM
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I don't "hate" single parents, I just would not have married one. That is not hatred or punishing the person. From what I've seen, most single parents have no problems finding dates or partners.

Personally, aside from the kids issue, I couldn't really relate to men who married at a young age, because I didn't do that. I did other things with my life in my 20s. So we were just coming from two different places. I also couldn't relate to the divorce drama since I'd never been through a divorce myself. I would listen and sympathize, but then I needed sometimes to talk about myself and my own needs. And found that I would need to talk to someone else for that.
True. I have never been married or divorced so I don't have experience with divorce. I have a divorced male friend I do sympathize with him about the issue that's all I can do.
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Old Jan 01, 2016, 06:02 PM
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Nothing wrong with having boundaries and expressing them with a possible future partner.
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Old Jan 01, 2016, 06:14 PM
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Tipping I don't think anyone is hating single parents. And I don't think anyone says that everyone is this way.

I have been single parent my whole life and wouldn't tolerate anyone mistreating my kid but I am the first one to say that many parents are being ridiculous: letting their kids to make decisions who their parents will be dating or catering to them up to ridiculous!

I am not even surprised that dude wouldn't help sick gf because of precious children wanting to see a movie. I've met people like that! Plenty! Not only with minor kids but with adult children too!

I raised an awesome kid/successful adult but I never acted like there is nothing else in life but being a parent. There is more to life.

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Old Jan 01, 2016, 06:20 PM
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I didn't say that. I said they should date each other, it does make it hard for single parent to date someone with kids. the constant *****ing from a single parent can't getting any dates is they should stick to other single parents since their commonality are the kids. I can tell you disagree with my stance on it, but that's fine. My life isn't gonna be messed up over it. Hmm, how would you like it if a single parent brought his or her kids with them on a date with you? That right tells me they couldn't find a suitable sitter to watch the kids for a while. I find it irresponsible to bring your kids with you on our date yet alone I gotta listen to them be obnoxious at a dinner table in public.

I have told a few single parents long ago the agreement is don't bring the kids with you to our meeting otherwise I am walking away and they agreed. Nothing wrong with being a step parent, that's true and true for others who feel the same way. I, for one, never agreed to be the step parent to their kids. Like I said, I don't relate to kids at all only relate to adults since I didn't like kids growing up and I was placed into a mini adult role that I shouldn't have been in the 1st back then. I live in an apt complex with noisy *** disrespectful kids, do I really want to date someone who has kids like that? What single parents do is their biz, don't bring your kids with you to adult activities is how I feel...

People bring their kids to meetings??? I dated a lot and no one ever brought their kids unless we already are dating and are involved and mutually agree to meet the kids. Who are these people who drag kids on dates????

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Old Jan 01, 2016, 06:24 PM
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I don't "hate" single parents, I just would not have married one. That is not hatred or punishing the person. From what I've seen, most single parents have no problems finding dates or partners.


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That's correct. I had a kid at young age and never had an issue finding a date or a partner. I did have difficulties finding right person but that's unrelated to being a parent. I know many other parents who have no trouble finding dates

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Old Jan 01, 2016, 06:28 PM
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People bring their kids to meetings??? I dated a lot and no one ever brought their kids unless we already are dating and are involved and mutually agree to meet the kids. Who are these people who drag kids on dates????

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I stopped calling them dates because they never went anywhere with me and it got to the point of calling them meetings because I am meeting the person until we go further and further then I can call it a date. I got tired of my time being wasted by childish adults.

I have heard of stories of single parents bringing their kids to the first "date".
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Old Jan 01, 2016, 07:01 PM
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I stopped calling them dates because they never went anywhere with me and it got to the point of calling them meetings because I am meeting the person until we go further and further then I can call it a date. I got tired of my time being wasted by childish adults.


I have heard of stories of single parents bringing their kids to the first "date".

That's horrendous. I've been on dates where men non stop talked about exes or kids but this is even worse!

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Old Jan 01, 2016, 07:55 PM
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That's horrendous. I've been on dates where men non stop talked about exes or kids but this is even worse!

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True. I think I may have gotten guys spoke ill about the exes and that was about it. Some of them I told you dodged a bullet count your blessings...
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Old Jan 01, 2016, 09:56 PM
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I remember being on a first date with a man who talked non-stop about his ex girlfriend. I never went out with him again.

I also dated a man who talked constantly about a female "friend" of his. I began to get the feeling that she was more than just a friend.

I could never be in a relationship where the man was still emotionally hooked up with another person, whether ex-wife, ex-girlfriend, or some woman he wanted but couldn't have. There is no future with people like this.
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Old Jan 01, 2016, 10:07 PM
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I remember being on a first date with a man who talked non-stop about his ex girlfriend. I never went out with him again.

I also dated a man who talked constantly about a female "friend" of his. I began to get the feeling that she was more than just a friend.

I could never be in a relationship where the man was still emotionally hooked up with another person, whether ex-wife, ex-girlfriend, or some woman he wanted but couldn't have. There is no future with people like this.
oooh yes!!! I totally agree talk about emotionally unavailable and met guys online who talked some rancid **** about the women they ****ed and dated. I became one of the girls on the rancid list of **** talking which was childish.
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We live in a time where single parenthood is commonplace. None of us knew/knows who it is we will fall in love with but I suppose we can decide whether or not to take a relationship far enough to the point of loving someone.
To some I guess it is a deal-breaker and to others it is not. I very much admire everyone for making the decision either way.

OP, I hope you have plenty of support whatever you decide. Hugs to you.
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Old Jan 02, 2016, 06:26 PM
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That is true. An ex friend of mine from high school told me you could fall in love with a single dad and I am like true doesn't mean I will make an exception for his kids to be a part of my life. Ooh, she was irate towards me I said family ain't everything like we try to make it to be.

I am attracted to a single dad who is older than me yet I know it wouldn't work into a relationship, so I wouldn't mind dating him casually if it ever came to that.
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I as a single mother have no interest in dating someone without kids
It's two different planets to me
There are things a person without kids will NEVER be able to understand because the experience is just so different in life. How I would jump in front of a train for my sons but not for you...yep won't understand unless you are a parent
It's like having a mental illness lol.....unless you have one you will never get it
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Yikes, I see this thread has gotten VERY long, I have not been on PC over the holiday so I am reading and catching up. Thank you to everyone who weighed in!
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Old Jan 04, 2016, 02:35 PM
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My dear. My sweet heart. I wish I could tell you something nice but out of my own experience, it gets worse than getting better.

I've been in three years relationship, he has two kids, and the daughter is always the issue. She's 10 now! The problem is my boyfriend, he doesn't know to put boundaries between himself and the daughter. She acts like a girlfriend. I mean it. Some stuff is disgusting! and she wins always. I don't get Xmas gifts while she gets lots of overly expensive gifts. Even his son doesn't get anything.

I generally love kids and I think she's a good kid, but it's frustrating. You want to have your own family. I always feel outsider, no matter how much love I give them.

I'm in the process of wanting to get out ASAP too. We broke up many times 2015. The whole year was bad! His kids are his priorities and that's it. Besides, they usually carry lots of guilt feelings.

I can go on and on and telling you what you experience will get even worse but at the end it's you who has to deal with your situation and decide.

I'm 42 and I want to have kids of myself. I don't mind he has kids. It was difficult at the beginning for me but now I love the kids. However, my relationship is really bad with my boyfriend. He disrespects me and if I say anything, I'm a bad person, because I said something in front of his kids!
He can disrespect me and say all **** to me and yell at me in front of them. He can order them what to do, but if I tell his kids to pick up a dish, it would be a huge fight!

So many people told me couple of years ago when problems starts, to get out. I didn't listen. Now, I have to rescue myself from this toxic relationship and it's not easy.

Just be kind to yourself and get out. You can make a good plan and get out slowly. You will find another love, even better than this one.

He has a huge baggage., specially that you don't want to deal with kids. They will be there forever!

Your comfort and happiness are very important.

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This book helped me a lot, it might help you The Remarriage Blueprint: How Remarried Couples and Their Families Succeed or Fail: Maggie Scarf: 9781439169544: Amazon.com: Books If you do stay with your boyfriend, I think it would benefit you both to read it. I asked my boyfriend to read it and he is in the process of doing so now. It has great real-life examples of things couples did wrong when getting involved when there are children of one/both.
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Old Jan 04, 2016, 02:38 PM
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That sounds hard. Have you thought of all of you going to family counseling. Just an idea I had. It may make it easier to cope with the situation and easier for them, too. Best wishes to you.
Yes, I have told my bf we may need to go to counseling together or with the kids. His son that he has custody of now is in therapy and we do plan to get his daughter in therapy if/when he has custody of her.
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Old Jan 04, 2016, 02:41 PM
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You will always come second. Can you handle this? No worries if you can't, as this dynamic isn't for everyone. I know I couldn't handle always coming in second. (Again, where more of the "selfish" putdowns come in....but hey, its my life and I can live it however I choose, right?)
Self-care can look like selfishness from the outside!!! I did have to come to terms with the coming second thing earlier in the relationship. It was difficult for me but I think I dealt with it well. Of course it's becoming more of a day-to-day issue as he gets custody of the kids but the concept at least is something I accept and am ok with.
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Old Jan 04, 2016, 02:47 PM
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My grandma used to say "the trick is in boundaries".
Your grandma is awesome! That is true of pretty much every relationship.
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Old Jan 04, 2016, 02:52 PM
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No. If you ate to love the father you must love the kids. Any GOOD parent will tell you that.
Oh you want to be my boyfriend but could care less about my kids? Yeah no
I think you might enjoy the book I recommended to someone else http://www.amazon.com/Remarriage-Blu...parenting+book

Love takes time. Several of the stories shared in that book talk about how parents assume that because someone loves them that they should automatically love their child. But love does build from a foundation, for a parent that foundation is that you are their parent, for an outsider that foundation has to be a relationship that develops. I don't know that I'd say that I love my boyfriends kids but I also don't have much of a relationship with them. The 15 year old has been here since July and I do care for him very much, and I'm sure I will for the 11 year old too once everything settled down. I'm really glad he didn't expect me to love them immediately though.
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This is why parents should stick to dating other parents. Everyone grows up wanting to be special to someone, to have a REAL partner. Gonna always put the kids first? Be prepared to be rejected by a lot of childless singles. Yeah, what parents don't realize when they say the kids will always come first is that a single person hears "Well, if you were dying on the side of the road at the same time my kids wants an ice cream cone, sorry but you'll be on the losing end". Yep. Maybe that sounds extreme, but if you're going to use such extreme words (i.e. "always"), be prepared for the backlash. Yes, I know the rebuttal is going to be "I didn't mean THAT!" but you said it....don't blame me (and any other single person on the face of the planet) for using the dictionary definition of "always" and not attempting to mind read or decipher your own personal interpretation of the word.
I definitely understand this. For me, that seemed to mean "If there's any sort of conflict, I will take the child's side, even if I know they are in the wrong." That's what happened the time the 11 year old poked me hard in the chest and acted really inappropriately. I had to know from him that I couldn't be "wrong" every time the child acts in a way that is not ok with me. He has been really good about beginning to set boundaries with her and my T recommended a book on a discipline technique (1, 2, 3 magic) for us to read together. I didn't know it, but what I needed for him to say/feel was that the kids coming first didn't mean me coming last. I'm cool with them coming first, as long as it's not at my expense, you know?
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