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Old Jan 04, 2020, 07:57 AM
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I think I’m battling with what the concept of forgiveness actually means in the first place.

I always thought that if I use the words I forgive you to someone, it’s the same as saying it’s okay, don’t worry about it.

On the other hand would someone want to ask for forgiveness in order to receive it in the first place?
Forgiveness can be accomplished without acceptance and without condoning the bad behavior. You can even tell the person (if you are saying it directly to them), "I forgive you for it, but your behavior was unacceptable and not OK."

"... forgiveness does not mean acceptance. It never means saying it is ok what happened to you, or it was acceptable that someone hurt you. This is where people often get confused. You forgive someone for you, not for the other person. You forgive them as you don’t want to get sick or have that resentment clouding your life. It ends up being you walking around angry or sad at the person who hurt you, it ends up hurting you. The other person may have no idea or may not care what has happened so it often doesn’t affect them at all. So this is why you do it for you and you alone.

Acceptance is more accepting the fact that it happened. You cannot reverse time, you cannot change things that have happened in the past, all you can do is accept that it did happen and see what you could learn from it. It can be challenging to learn from negative experiences but there is always something that comes out of it that you can be grateful for. ...

Letting go is where you should end up at the end of the forgiveness process. You let go of any attachment to negativity about the event, to resentment about the event and to the event itself. You don’t hold a charge on the event any more. In other words you can think about it without getting overly emotional or having big reactions. You can think and talk about it like you were telling a story about someone else because you have healed it not because you are detached from it or numb to it."


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Old Jan 04, 2020, 09:42 AM
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I also don't follow the motto of "living well is the best revenge." Why does living well have to be an act of inflicting harm on someone who hurt me. They hurt me. They don't care how I live. They don't care about me. I should write a critique of all the platitudes used. Platitudes make me cringe. They are my kryptonite.
I hear you on that! Especially on how they hurt us and don't care how we live. That's helpful for me as a self conscious person to hear. For me, the word revenge doesn't sit well. I think its supposed to mean: don't try to inflict pain on someone who hurt you, especially if you can't get closure. Just live well, and see what you can do to heal. I do get something out of the saying though, its definitely not my kryptonite lol. Now I know what you're is!!! Muahaha. Kidding.
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Old Jan 04, 2020, 10:36 AM
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Oi! Platitudes. Yuck! They are condescending statements wrapped in flowery language. They are utter shite (I love that word). They are useless conversational placeholders to fill up awkward silences or boredom. Platitudes don't offer any sympathy, empathy, or insight. They just...fill up the void. They are like cotton candy -- a fluffed up ball of sugar hoisted on a paper cone that dissolves once you moisten it. Give me liberty, or give me death. But for Pete sake, do NOT give me platitude or I will hurl all over you a la Linda Blair (Exorcist). Yes, you know what mine is. As long as you don't mind me vomiting all over you if you use them around me! Heehee!
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Old Jan 04, 2020, 10:48 AM
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I think forgivness is for the forgiver but that it also gets confused with acceptance. If my mind and spirit are constantly monopolized by what others have done to me I might forgive them but only if I think that forgiving will help me. There is no forgetting. Some things are never forgivable despite what society tells us but I do believe most things can be forgiven. If someone god forbid, hurt my children I dont know if I could forgive them but I could work on acceptance. Forgiveness can be very healing when its warranted but the idea that people all have to forgive to move on is not something I can get behind.

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I forgave my father partly because I needed to and partly because once I was an adult I was able to put his upbringing in perspective as far as it came to parenting me. I wrote him a letter on his 47th birthday forgiving him, we had been seeing each other and having a relationship for about 2 years prior to that. I mailed his letter 3/8/00 and his birthday was 3/9/00. Around 2 in the morning of 3/9 he called his girlfriend telling her about this wonderful letter he got from me and crying. At 7am on 3/9 he dropped dead from a heart attack at age 47. Died on his birthday. I know that if I didn't have that chance to forgive him I would have had years of regret so everything depends on circumstance.
The synchronicity of when your father received your letter right before he passed away from a heart attack. Wow.
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Old Jan 04, 2020, 01:09 PM
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Oi! Platitudes. Yuck! They are condescending statements wrapped in flowery language. They are utter shite (I love that word). They are useless conversational placeholders to fill up awkward silences or boredom. Platitudes don't offer any sympathy, empathy, or insight. They just...fill up the void. They are like cotton candy -- a fluffed up ball of sugar hoisted on a paper cone that dissolves once you moisten it. Give me liberty, or give me death. But for Pete sake, do NOT give me platitude or I will hurl all over you a la Linda Blair (Exorcist). Yes, you know what mine is. As long as you don't mind me vomiting all over you if you use them around me! Heehee!
My sincere apologies, I am a platter of platitudes. . I was raised being told them, so I tend to use them. You made me lol with the image of Linda Blair.
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Old Jan 04, 2020, 01:11 PM
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While it feels good for me to have those feelings of anger, burning rage lift when I am able to grieve and somewhat forgive, I certainly don’t (usually) let them near enough to me to hurt me like that again.

Your feelings are your feelings and you don’t have to feel anything you don’t.

Sometimes, though, those feelings just change in time.
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Old Jan 04, 2020, 01:20 PM
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Forgiveness is not about the other person, wether or not they are remorseful or sorry. Forgiveness is a gift you give yourself. The other person still gets consequences. You take back your power when you forgive. It certainly does not mean it's ok or that its forgotten. You take with you the lessons and carry those lessons into the future. Forgiveness means you can live in the present without the past having a grip on your emotions.
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Old Jan 04, 2020, 01:38 PM
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Old Jan 04, 2020, 03:39 PM
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Crazy Hitch I think how you feel about his betrayal of you is completely valid - those are your feelings.

Do you feel like you ought to forgive him? Are the feelings you have problematic in your life and to your wellbeing? If so then that is different.
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Old Jan 04, 2020, 05:02 PM
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Oi! Platitudes. Yuck! They are condescending statements wrapped in flowery language. They are utter shite (I love that word). They are useless conversational placeholders to fill up awkward silences or boredom. Platitudes don't offer any sympathy, empathy, or insight. They just...fill up the void. They are like cotton candy -- a fluffed up ball of sugar hoisted on a paper cone that dissolves once you moisten it. Give me liberty, or give me death. But for Pete sake, do NOT give me platitude or I will hurl all over you a la Linda Blair (Exorcist). Yes, you know what mine is. As long as you don't mind me vomiting all over you if you use them around me! Heehee!

Oh my! Lol.
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Old Jan 04, 2020, 05:37 PM
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Crazy Hitch I think how you feel about his betrayal of you is completely valid - those are your feelings.

Do you feel like you ought to forgive him? Are the feelings you have problematic in your life and to your wellbeing? If so then that is different.
Today is what (would be) my wedding anniversary to my exhusband.

I’m ashamed to say ... I hate what he did ... but deep down I may just ... still love him. Never in the way as husband and wife but more as the person he is minus the affair(s). I disgusted in myself to even type it. It’s NEVER something I’d admit to my now partner. In April my new partner and I would have been together for 4 years. But deep do inside in the quietness of my mind I think I still struggle with the concept of 100% letting m ex go.

Some days I think I’m still grieving.
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After being married to someone, I think it is ok to still love him in a way. And it's definitely ok to grieve.
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Old Jan 04, 2020, 06:51 PM
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Crazy Hitch, I second what downandlonely said.
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Oh my! Lol.
@WovenGalaxy I know. Platitudes are a trigger for me.

I should probably start a support group here for that. P.A. Platitudes Anonymous. I hopefully won't be the only member.
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You must have really loved him and he devastated you. I’m so sorry it happened to you.
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Old Jan 04, 2020, 10:11 PM
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After being married to someone, I think it is ok to still love him in a way. And it's definitely ok to grieve.
Thank you. I needed to hear that.
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Old Jan 04, 2020, 10:44 PM
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Today is what (would be) my wedding anniversary to my exhusband.

I’m ashamed to say ... I hate what he did ... but deep down I may just ... still love him. Never in the way as husband and wife but more as the person he is minus the affair(s). I disgusted in myself to even type it. It’s NEVER something I’d admit to my now partner. In April my new partner and I would have been together for 4 years. But deep do inside in the quietness of my mind I think I still struggle with the concept of 100% letting m ex go.

Some days I think I’m still grieving.
You wanted to ( and did) love him and keep your promise of comittment. He didn't which hurt you. That doesn't change that you loved him and wanted to keep your promise to him. When we really love a person we don't "just" forget them or how we loved them. I think you still mourn what you lost when it came to your ex.
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I don’t consider it forgiving or continually being aggravated by ignorant people. They do dumb things. I accept that. You can’t get in your car and take a drive without someone cutting you off or driving erratically. I just accept that it happened and continue on my journey. No point in getting angry. None at all. As for the the evils that people do to one another I won’t tell you not to be angry. They were done to me as well.. I don’t dwell on them. That doesn’t mean they don’t come up. They had a permanent effect on my life.
However I don’t forgive him, I don’t not forgive him. It’s just a non issue. Nothing to be done about it, just another thing to let go of.
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Usually because otherwise I’m the one who suffers.
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Do you forgive people who have wronged you?
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Old Jan 05, 2020, 05:40 AM
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You wanted to ( and did) love him and keep your promise of comittment. He didn't which hurt you. That doesn't change that you loved him and wanted to keep your promise to him. When we really love a person we don't "just" forget them or how we loved them. I think you still mourn what you lost when it came to your ex.
Thank you.

I’m glad you understand.
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Hugs to you Crazy Hitch. It is not surprising that you still think about him. I still think about childhood friends and one night stands sometimes even though the latter is highly insignificant compared to marriage. We can't stop feeling some things, only manage it/be realistic about it. Never feel guilty about your feelings. All we can do is evaluate them and try to act wisely.
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Old Jan 06, 2020, 04:15 PM
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Thank you.

I’m glad you understand.
I have loved individuals who have hurt me in shocking ways. It has made me question on a very deep level if it is safe to love someone.

I know how hard it can be to forgive someone who would choose to hurt you so badly. It isn't necessarily that we are unworthy of love either, often it's the other individual who was not worthy of OUR honest love.

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Old Jan 06, 2020, 06:59 PM
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I have loved individuals who have hurt me in shocking ways. It has made me question on a very deep level if it is safe to love someone.

I know how hard it can be to forgive someone who would choose to hurt you so badly. It isn't necessarily that we are unworthy of love either, often it's the other individual who was not worthy of OUR honest love.

Your last sentence is so true!
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