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i have known friends who harbor psychoses. some have been dealt them via organic or chemically induced means. a few others have been disturbed through the natural course of being. invariably, a common notion expressed from them is that of a government agency predicated on doing harm.
myself, i have "only" been through depressive disorder not involving any psychosis, but i would like to learn more; specifically, why is threat of government intelligence such a common theme in psychosis? take care. -i should imagine that, with the near-dictatorial government as it leans today, my question may very well be invalid! |
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I have no idea why this is, but it does seem tobe a common theme in schizophrenia. Even if its not specifically about the government, many psychosis are about some sort of an organisation thats watching and doing things.
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In my opinion, it is because it is a valid concern. But, fear is never valid. Look at it logically....they have the means to listen to calls, monitor internet usage, check book records, videotape you everywhere, see what you eat if you use credit or a vip card, etc.
Do yourself a favor and step off the grid. It helps. |
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in my opinion this shared belief is an indication that there is truth to the allegation of government surveillance of residents... especially the surveillance of those the government feels pose a threat to society in some way.. ie: "crazy people"
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#5
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The Government. Unless you are/have come to the point in the 'illness' in which your entire existance is that in which you live, breath, eat, and survive under the 'government' to the point that you realize that the entire USA freedom is one big masqurade and a privledge in to which not all citizens are entitled to the same rights and basic freedoms from one extrerme to another, then you would not be able to understand how the 'other side' of the government operates.
In such illness as physcosis or schizophrenia, the government in the end opresses the person as myself to be dictated and suffocated in to the fact that nothing in life any longer is at all a choice. A choice to live according to the government and what they have planned for you and your life or to be homeless a John Doe on the street a street person or simply a skipped over in the census of which your mere existance is overlooked and to say the least heard at all. It is all such a major cover up as if it were in the eyes of the politition to be still the chains on the walls and drinking ditchwater and eating old bread to survive. Treatment or refusal of such as outlined of what it is they expect to be seen as treatment is there for. In the end the basic person living with mental illness living by no choice other than that of being sick is forced by the government to live well below poverty level, and to be cast aside and over looked and practically spit upon and left for dead. If it begins at a young age and no support from family and urban area, then most likely you rights of choice are next to none. I last year had a 500% increase in the co-pay of my prescription medications generic or brand name which in many states forced medication orders do still exist and are well in effect. Did anyone put in bold on the front page of the papre or all over the 6 o'clock news that copay was being increased by 500%? Not in my city. Did I work until I was and am deemed unfit to do so by the very government which gives me less money to live on than that of mininum wage? The government who has forced me to live a life of poverty and misery for no choice other than the fact I am not able to work. The Government who gives me the 'benifit' of a Social Security Check in one hand and then 10 dollars a month for food only to force me to have a deductible of 11 dollars a month befiore I can get my needed medications? The very people who provide me with outdated bologna at time periood of 5-months outdated because I am hungry and then try and stop that. I am unable go on any further my computer is going nuts as I am exposing the truth behind the 'other side' Long live the USA - Chris
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i am in complete agreement.
as i begin to expose these truths about the big government conspiracy and any related conspiracy theories.... i encounter interference, technological and "metaphysical" in nature. the harder you think about these things the clearer they become to thyself, however when you commence to explain these facts and observations, these same agencies responsible for oppressing, monitoring and controlling us, begin to divert us from our intended mission. whether by carefully orchestrated computer crashes, or by mind and behavior influence, which causes one to lose track of his thoughts, be at a loss for words, itch, cough, or otherwise prevent the message from being communicated. it warrants further discussion... regardless of how badly spoken it sounds, we must continue to ponder these issues in order to construct a sound and convincing agrument. |
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insideouts creative writing passage on the topic:
perhaps one best way to gather empirical data would be for a person who has first hand knowledge of it, as on of us, to simply observe our own writings over time, which is exactly what the government and countless others do to our discussion board entries daily! our information is far from safe here on the internet... it needs an underground forum... and a secure means of communication as live as the internet. the government already has its own system like this... a separate and highly secure part of the "internet" by which they communicate classified information. that, is the real weapon. their ability to remain completely elusive and invisible while controlling, influencing, and observing all others.... hypothetically speaking of course. (and not to be taken seriously) |
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</font><blockquote><div id="quote"><font class="small">Quote:</font>
insideout said: as i begin to expose these truths about the big government conspiracy and any related conspiracy theories.... i encounter interference, technological and "metaphysical" in nature. the harder you think about these things the clearer they become to thyself, however when you commence to explain these facts and observations, <font color="red">these same agencies responsible for oppressing, monitoring and controlling us, begin to divert us from our intended mission</font>, whether by carefully orchestrated computer crashes, or by <font color="red">mind and behavior influence,</font> which causes one to lose track of his thoughts, be at a loss for words, itch, cough, or otherwise prevent the message from being communicated. </div></font></blockquote><font class="post"> it's more than government or human agencies, i'm convinced there is a dimension beyond that and those of us who "see through things" are targeted because of our ability. by gaslighting us and putting us in staged reality-construct bubbles where we are isolated from the common man and his experience, it is almost guaranteed that no one will believe us or take us seriously about anything that matters; thus we are effectively rendered powerless as far as the ability to "do something, anything, about 'it'" is concerned. i would like to learn how to overcome their ability to "trigger" my programming so that i can be effective in exposing them. when i'm triggered it's a lot of different ways but generally speaking it falls into a few predictable categories: (1) pre-programmed suicide-impulse reactions; (2) pre-programmed "self-sabotaging" reactions (emotions way out of keel, self way out of control); (3) pre-programmed escalating paranoia (exacerbated by gaslighting, etc.). for a long time i thought if others just observe my patterns and recognize that i'm helpless to stop these things they might understand what's going on -- but they don't. they actually believe that the faculty of volition "can" and is "supposed to" override all this, like I could just wave an invisible "magic wand" of "choice" and it would all disappear. I am the one who disappears instead so there is no "me" left here to DO anything about it once the command sequence has been initiated. and when I try to talk about it I just end up sounding deluded, so i don't try to talk about it, but it is driving me crazy. hopefully YOU ALL understand??? maybe just SOME of you at least??? <font color="purple">[[[here's what I get usually: "Oh yes we understand, Malady; we understand perfectly. Are you still taking your medication, by the way?"]]]</font> ![]()
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the thing is, i COMPLETELY understand and yet the truth is still far from my reaching grasp. Its like you took the words from my mind, the thing about there being a dimension beyond that,,,, is so right. its fuzzy though for me cuz its so enormous, so real it begins to seem implausible.
i can feel pus accumulating inside my brain at times... at least thats what i call it. it seems somewhat like interference like when a radio station cant quite be tuned in... and so i eat hot sauce until my eyes run and my nose runs and the pain dissolves the takeover attempt by these extra dimensional forces. im always sensing that im being studied by some unseen force, i sometimes have dejavu to an extreme other people arent able to... and when im laying in bed, i can hear them. whoever they are. theyre all talking at once its so loud and is like a crowded auditorium... but i feel lucky, i am able to do this, i dont know where the people are, maybe theyre in a different dimension. but i can focus in on what theyre saying. it makes me so tired cuz it takes all my concentration... so i usually end up falling asleep before i can find a way to record what ive heard. does anyone relate? |
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Farking hell!!!! This is almost exactly what I experiance when Im as mad as a hatter! Its like you almost know whats going on and what its all about and then your mind suddenly melts and you get confused, you can almost hear them and almost understand the messages they are sending you, but your thoughts are jumping from one explainition to another.... I cant explain it. Ive blamed so many people for it, blamed it on Vampires, witches, government, a particular famous person, people i know on the internet, the police, friends of mine, Ive now come to the conclusion that its best to stop listening, how do you know anyway, when you get that obsessive hot feeling that you are fighting them back or onto the whole thing that they arent just misleading you anyway? Tis all so complicated. But, Thank God above for Olanzipine, makes me fat as can be and ugly, but it all goes away and I can sleep finally, without waking up having panic attacks, or staying awake all night 'communicating' with them. If they are real, I dont care anymore, I just want to be left alone in peace. But when Im lonely like tonight, and sad and havent been on meds in months, its sort of seductive to be drawn into it slightly again, isnt it? makes me feel at least someone is interested in me.
My current opinion on the whole thing, is partly religion and partly science, the religion part tells me it could partly be jinn (Im muslim), but then i get frightened by that thought, and the science part says, anti psychotics work so it must be a chemical imbalance, then the sceptic says, why do so many people experiance the same thing? maybe some of us are sensitive and the drugs remove the sensitivity? then the pragmatic part says, who gives a f****? if it takes it away, it takes it away, lifes hard enough.Lets not think about it all now. Anyway, my sympathies to all of you who get this or similar, its a lonely place and like absolute torture. God protect us all. |
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For starters,it would probably take about 9 full time employee's of the government to keep one individual harassed.Not that it would be unheard of,just unlikely.
I,typical,blamed the government,in my case they seem to repeat my thoughts back to me...female voices. It is how I and many people deal with it.I find many outlets to get rid of the annoying voices,just talking with someone,to playing a video game,golf..tried many things to ease the pain. I live with it the best I can.I think for myself knowing these voices were external just helped me cope with them. |
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the government aint squat. there will one day be a one government over all and then who will be the illusionist? I see their black eyes and their figures in another for the battle is here and not any that our armed forces can fight.
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Been studying electronics most my adult life,electrical engineering.Is it possible that external forces harass people?
I know that a simple tank circuit connected to a diode and antenna is all that is needed to receive a signal.In ww1 they could pick up a AM broadcast with but a paper clip and a rusted razor blade,which is a simple circuit.Read about the urban legend,people hearing radio stations in there fillings! True or false this government and others would spend any amount neccessary to investigate such phenomena. The fillings are an amalgam,mixture of dissimiliar metals,which creates a diode junction and could also act as an antenna.There would be stray capacitance and of course resistance which would make the tank circuit.Only thing required would be a very strong radio wave presence so you could pick up a tune.Your ear itself would act as a speaker,bone conduction is common way of hearing acoustic signals. All said and done,it would be expensive undertaking and think of the kind of quack that would do such.Can say a lot about how it could be done but without a receiver to verify, it's just nonsense.GIve my schizo problem one thing,drive to study,learned a lot.Anyways my problem is what seems to be a very few people seem actually to be able to hear my thoughts,Man do i ever give them some thoughts.My voices whine and giggle a lot..too funny.Deal with it best I can,hope others do the same. |
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Looking at it from my point of view, as someone who has schizoaffective disorder, I have been afraid of the government for a long time.
I think it is because you hear and see about how governments can find out anything about people and spy on people. The thought stays with us, subconsciously, and comes out in paranoia. I know for me, I started getting paranoid about being spied on after reading a couple political books (Bob woodward, Mark crispin, Noam Chomsky, etc) and started having to close blinds all the time, thought people were following me, etc. I still struggle with it sometimes, but I've realized how irrational it is. |
#15
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What I was saying is Who cares if there following!
Unless they kidnap you or something GIVE THEM THE BIRD! |
#16
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COINTELPRO, Tuskegee, National Security Administration's illegal wire-tapping, etc...
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#17
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There is a quite a bit of government going on that regular folks wouldn't like but you do get the PRESS from events like tuskagee.Lot of really cool people out there,trying hard to keep this country civil.I have little doubt the government has it's evil side but mostly there just day to day folks trying to get the job done.You do see where there trying to criminalize and publicize recent events.Glad there are strong minded people trying.
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#18
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Put on your tin-foil hats and destroy your television sets.
If the government could brain-wash me into becoming a conforming, conservative careerist like the others, I might not "mind" it so much. If I knew it would take away the fear, I'd be a willing participant. What you do to rid yourself of the fear? How far are you willing to go? The human mind has a tendency to take in and accept information, however false or obsurd, just to have something for it to accept as "truth." It can be quite a comforting experience for some. |
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Do you really think any govt cares enough to follow people. I suspect they dont. They are too busy lining thier own pockets
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I do believe that governments do keep track of some people. War-protestors, Muslim clerics, militia groups, "Critical Mass" participants. Oh, those subversive bicyclists!!!!
Communications are monitored. Computer programs searching for "key-words" in newsgroups and emails. But does the government care enough to follow me? I don't think so. Not as long as I keep to myself. It gets stranger and more invasive than that, but do I care? Eh, not really. I'd rather be lining my pockets, too. |
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yeah, your probably right, I can see that some people are tracked. But i sorta feel like you, im not causing a problem so i should be OK? Hmmm, maybe get the tin foil out anyways!
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I would think it would be more of a government plot to make you paranoid than such extremely costly in both labor and money to actually do surveillance or what not.
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#23
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guys, i should tell you that i work for the govt. But im not watching anyone, honest!
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^^ what do you do in the government? I am a constituency office assistant for an MPP (Member of Provincial Parliament) here in Ontario.
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I write for MPs (memebers of parliament) and research parliamentary questions here in the UK
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