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Old Mar 25, 2017, 07:49 AM
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Perhaps a bad fake resume, but not a good one. So many people make fake resumes and fake things like references, experience, or education these days that you would be astounded, and I personally don't blame them one bit.

It's hard enough for a normal young person these days to get a decent job and support themselves, it's even harder for those of us with a MI to even function in society let alone get a decent job so I say if you can't be strong, be cunning and deceptive. Survive by any means necessary.

If employers would evolve into the 21st century and stop assuming that a stupid piece of paper reveals everything about a person and those of us who are shy or lack confidence or social skills or lack experience would be bad at a job then maybe people wouldn't have to stoop to such lows to survive.

Until these employers change, I won't. If I have to con my way to the top then so be it. Survival is all that matters to me.
I would also say that even if your fake resume gets you in the door, questions during the interview will probably out your lies. And then the background check or calls to confirm that you worked at those places will find out that you didn't work there.
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Old Mar 25, 2017, 08:53 AM
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No, I can tell a good faked resume too. The thing is, they set off red flags. I help others write their resumes, and there are ways to make it sound good without outright lying, it's all about the words that you use. But outright lying about working somewhere you didn't or having a job that you didn't, it will get found out.

Definitely, I will say there are ways to be creative and wordsmith a resume to make it sound really good (I do this regularly for friends) but it's not an outright lie, it's just a matter of semantics. But if you push it too far, it will raise red flags.

Also, if an employer hires you then finds out you lied on your resume/application, they can then fire you with cause.

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If I come off as condescending to you, I promise that it's not my intention and I apologize in advance, but if what you say is true, then I have a question for you:

Why is it that I've personally known a person in my life at one point who have done this and succeeded? I went to a trade school to study in the IT field roughly 5-6 years ago that was notoriously bad at placing people at employment; particularly those of us who have had any kind of problems that made it difficult for us such as poor social skills or lack of experience.

This guy had severe ADHD to the point that he could barely function AND he had a criminal record (mostly minor stuff like traffic violations), yet last time I spoke with him which was about 3 years ago he was driving a brand new Mercedes and making a 6 figures salary and he was only 26 at the time. He told me that he scored a nice management position at Dell for one of their call centers that manages other business that buy server products from them and he admitted to lying on some of his resume about experience but being honest on most of it and he told me I was a fool for not doing the same thing. He even offered at one point to pose as a fake reference for me to help me out and I just might reach out to him to ask him for help if I can find his contact information.

Not to mention the fact that I have read nearly a dozen stories online about people doing this same thing and going from struggling to even eat let alone pay their living expenses to making so much money that even if they were eventually caught they would have plenty of money saved up to live off of well for years.

So my point is that if it's so easy like you describe it to catch people then why doesn't it happen more often? I am pretty certain there are ways to get around the background checks without resorting to actual identity fraud. If that wasn't the case, then this many success stories wouldn't exist.

So yeah, I am still going to buy this guide no matter what and nobody's going to stop me. I will read it for myself and decide what the most logical approach to my lack of things to put on a resume is.

After all, why should I struggle anymore? I have suffered my whole life and I am ready to take the lifestyle that I want by force if necessary.

Why be poor when I could easily be a millionaire by the time I'm 30 doing things no differently than other wealthy people do? All of them are liars and cheats anyways so why be different when money and power are all that people bow down to?
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Old Mar 25, 2017, 09:00 AM
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Don't get me wrong though, if there is a viable alternative to making a resume that won't get laughed right out the door for me when I have no provable job experience aside from contract work, never been to college, and only went to a trade school in a field that I no longer wish to work in, I am open to hearing it.

I just don't see any alternatives at this time that don't involve some kind of deception. Even volunteering to build references and waiting for the DRS just doesn't seem like it will be enough.

I would be more than willing to sell out my integrity to the highest bidder if necessary. I just don't want to go down that route if I don't absolutely have to.
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Old Mar 25, 2017, 01:26 PM
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Don't get me wrong though, if there is a viable alternative to making a resume that won't get laughed right out the door for me when I have no provable job experience aside from contract work, never been to college, and only went to a trade school in a field that I no longer wish to work in, I am open to hearing it.

I just don't see any alternatives at this time that don't involve some kind of deception. Even volunteering to build references and waiting for the DRS just doesn't seem like it will be enough.

I would be more than willing to sell out my integrity to the highest bidder if necessary. I just don't want to go down that route if I don't absolutely have to.
I am just saying to be very careful how you do it. Because if there are holes that are questionable, it will be noticed. I'll also say that not all hiring managers scrutinize as much as I do. Some people see a great resume and don't ask any questions.

Many HR managers do, as I do, check to make sure you actually worked at the place you say you worked and that your job was what you said it was. We do check your references and ask the nature of the relationship you had with that person. If your job doesn't require a background check, then maybe it's fakable, but when the background check comes back, there are going to be questions between it and the story you made up on your resume.

I'm just warning you of what could happen if you do that. I also don't agree with it personally. But it's your life, you will do what you are going to do.

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Old Mar 25, 2017, 01:27 PM
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The other thing I was going to say is that in my field, people know each other. So if you showed up with a resume and it said you'd worked places where I knew people or some connection like that, I might just call that person up and ask if they knew of you. When they say they've never heard of you, that would raise a huge red flag for me. So again, be careful with doing this.

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You're right. Maybe I am being too rash on the whole honesty vs dishonesty thing but still, it makes me so angry knowing that there are so many of us with MI who outright struggle to find gainful employment because employers won't give us a fair chance.

For me, I think a lot of my issues are due to having no self esteem and no confidence in my abilities. I truly believe that I'm worthless to prospective employers because I have nothing to offer them compared to some random 18-19 year old high school graduate because of my MI and lack of experience.

After all, as a hiring manager yourself, if you had to choose between 2 people; one being an 18 year old without any experience and one being a 25 year old with significant gaps in his employment history with no provable or noteworthy experience and no college education, who would you pick? Probably the former; at least that's what I would pick.

I don't want to lie on a resume I really don't, but how the hell do I explain to prospective employers about why I have several years worth of gaps in my employment history and why I have never had a normal "9-5" job. How am I supposed to even tailor a resume around this fact, especially since I have never been to college, never fully completed trade school because of my MI, and didn't have the best grades in high school?

What am I supposed to say when questioned? "Sir/ma'am I was being treated for mental health issues at that time"? They will think that I'm some type of psycho and probably reject me out of fear or ignorance.

Unless I limit myself to jobs that don't require me to submit a resume, I don't see myself even getting an interview to most places. Even temp agencies all require a resume and I am still dumbfounded as to how to have one designed since I don't have anything to put on it. If I limit myself, I can't help it but to be afraid that I will go though every major retail and fast food job and not get hired because of my issues.

What am I supposed to do? I am so lost and confused.

If I can get over this one barrier, I would be compelled to not lie. Otherwise, I have no choice.
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Old Mar 25, 2017, 07:28 PM
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Your right sorry I should have put it's not your fault. You shouldn't be so quick to judge I have empathy for you and relate to your feelings.I was telling the truth. I won't bother telling you what it's been like for me.
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Old Mar 25, 2017, 11:59 PM
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You're right. Maybe I am being too rash on the whole honesty vs dishonesty thing but still, it makes me so angry knowing that there are so many of us with MI who outright struggle to find gainful employment because employers won't give us a fair chance.

For me, I think a lot of my issues are due to having no self esteem and no confidence in my abilities. I truly believe that I'm worthless to prospective employers because I have nothing to offer them compared to some random 18-19 year old high school graduate because of my MI and lack of experience.

After all, as a hiring manager yourself, if you had to choose between 2 people; one being an 18 year old without any experience and one being a 25 year old with significant gaps in his employment history with no provable or noteworthy experience and no college education, who would you pick? Probably the former; at least that's what I would pick.

I don't want to lie on a resume I really don't, but how the hell do I explain to prospective employers about why I have several years worth of gaps in my employment history and why I have never had a normal "9-5" job. How am I supposed to even tailor a resume around this fact, especially since I have never been to college, never fully completed trade school because of my MI, and didn't have the best grades in high school?

What am I supposed to say when questioned? "Sir/ma'am I was being treated for mental health issues at that time"? They will think that I'm some type of psycho and probably reject me out of fear or ignorance.

Unless I limit myself to jobs that don't require me to submit a resume, I don't see myself even getting an interview to most places. Even temp agencies all require a resume and I am still dumbfounded as to how to have one designed since I don't have anything to put on it. If I limit myself, I can't help it but to be afraid that I will go though every major retail and fast food job and not get hired because of my issues.

What am I supposed to do? I am so lost and confused.

If I can get over this one barrier, I would be compelled to not lie. Otherwise, I have no choice.
Believe me, I know what you are going through. I was finding I was getting turned down for jobs I was well qualified for, but my resume just wasn't written in that slick (I would say sneaky) way others were, so I reformatted and edited mine and now I get hits left and right. ANd I have an 18 month gap in my resume due to mental health treatment. What I say when asked about that is that I got sick and had to get medical treatment, and I leave it at that. Hasn't caused any issues in me getting an interview, second interview, or the job I currently have.

So there are ways to answer those questions that will satisfy the recruiter. One thing you can say too is that you had a sick relative and had to take time off to care for the sick relative. No one questions that.
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Old Mar 26, 2017, 12:01 AM
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Same here I got a better resume format and then I started getting hits left and right yet I was still getting turned down before I got my current job.
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Old Mar 26, 2017, 07:51 AM
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Believe me, I know what you are going through. I was finding I was getting turned down for jobs I was well qualified for, but my resume just wasn't written in that slick (I would say sneaky) way others were, so I reformatted and edited mine and now I get hits left and right. ANd I have an 18 month gap in my resume due to mental health treatment. What I say when asked about that is that I got sick and had to get medical treatment, and I leave it at that. Hasn't caused any issues in me getting an interview, second interview, or the job I currently have.

So there are ways to answer those questions that will satisfy the recruiter. One thing you can say too is that you had a sick relative and had to take time off to care for the sick relative. No one questions that.
You're right. I could tell them that I got sick and talk about a sick relative because that technically isn't a lie because my mother did have a lot of health issues as I grew into adulthood including later on being diagnosed with lung cancer before eventually dying. I will just leave out the fact that she was the person who screwed my life up. Maybe I can get an emotional response from employers if I can't prove myself any other way haha

Still though, I really need to figure out how I am going to design a good resume when I have hardly anything to put on it. I am waiting on the DRS to contact me because I was going to rely on them to help me, but I can't wait any longer I want to be getting things done now.

I tried looking up examples of resumes made by people without any work experience but every time I do it makes me feel worthless because every resume example that I've found talks about the person's good grades or extracirricular activities that the person excelled in and I don't have anything like that because I barely did well enough to graduate in high school because I was struggling with bullies and my mother's antics at home. All I have is trade school but unless I apply for jobs in the IT field, what point does putting it on there even solve? Especially considering the fact that I never actually finished the program that I was in because I found it too overwhelming due to my MI.

All this waiting is driving me insane!
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Old Mar 26, 2017, 08:57 AM
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You're right. I could tell them that I got sick and talk about a sick relative because that technically isn't a lie because my mother did have a lot of health issues as I grew into adulthood including later on being diagnosed with lung cancer before eventually dying. I will just leave out the fact that she was the person who screwed my life up. Maybe I can get an emotional response from employers if I can't prove myself any other way haha

Still though, I really need to figure out how I am going to design a good resume when I have hardly anything to put on it. I am waiting on the DRS to contact me because I was going to rely on them to help me, but I can't wait any longer I want to be getting things done now.

I tried looking up examples of resumes made by people without any work experience but every time I do it makes me feel worthless because every resume example that I've found talks about the person's good grades or extracirricular activities that the person excelled in and I don't have anything like that because I barely did well enough to graduate in high school because I was struggling with bullies and my mother's antics at home. All I have is trade school but unless I apply for jobs in the IT field, what point does putting it on there even solve? Especially considering the fact that I never actually finished the program that I was in because I found it too overwhelming due to my MI.

All this waiting is driving me insane!
I helped my good friend (who I work with) rewrite her resume, because she didn't think she had certain qualifictions, but (and it helps that I work with her) I found ways to phrase it in her resume so that it did sound like she had experience in those areas, while maybe it not being her foremost skill.

I think sprucing up a resume to make it sound the best possible is absolutely necessary, it's the outright lying that concerns me. But I think there are absolutely ways around it.

For exampled, if you get a friend to be your reference, you call them your mentor or job coach or tutor...Then coach them on what to say about you.

I have "real" references, and I still coach them on what I need them to say about me.

So your friend who got a good job and such, he could be your career coach as a reference.

I think I just, personally, just don't like it when we cross the line into totally untrue, versus, putting something in the very best light we can.

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I understand. Do you have any where you would recommend that I could learn how to do this myself that wont require me to spend a bunch of money?

I could wait on my DRS application to go through and have them help me, but I want to be proactive and help myself now rather than wait weeks or months on them. After all, the longer I wait, the more money that I'm losing and I need to start saving up money ASAP or it could have a negative impact on my future.

If you can point me in the right direction, I would be eternally grateful and I promise I won't resort to lying
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I understand. Do you have any where you would recommend that I could learn how to do this myself that wont require me to spend a bunch of money?

I could wait on my DRS application to go through and have them help me, but I want to be proactive and help myself now rather than wait weeks or months on them. After all, the longer I wait, the more money that I'm losing and I need to start saving up money ASAP or it could have a negative impact on my future.

If you can point me in the right direction, I would be eternally grateful and I promise I won't resort to lying
If I could get some pointers for this I would be grateful. Thanks.
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It would be really cool if somebody could give me a link to a website or guide to do with a resume what seesaw described.

If people insist on ignoring me, however, I will go back to being a devious, conniving, little bastard hahaha

I don't have to be a good person because as far as I'm concerned, society has royally screwed me, and as such, anything that I do to oppose society is merely settling my debt with them. In fact, be grateful I'm not out screwing others to get ahead because I'm perfectly capable of doing it without feeling even a hint of guilt.

Although I'm trying, there is only so much I'm willing to do on my own before taking the easy way out. Why should I struggle when so many others have it easier than me?
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I am seriously debating setting up an email account to help you (as opposed to using my real one, to keep my identity anonymous). But for now, how about these?

https://www.totaljobs.com/careers-ad...ed-cv-template
interviewing - How long is too long of an unemployment gap? - The Workplace Stack Exchange
https://www.theguardian.com/careers/...ss-to-employer
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskUK/comme...g_firedmental/
https://www.monster.com/resumes/post-resume/
https://ivetriedthat.com/2016/03/08/...g-video-games/
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/you...mes-2014-11-04

Don't give up and withdraw and get isolated again, it's been good to see you posting and helping others too. Hang in there, PC people are here to support you.
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I am seriously debating setting up an email account to help you (as opposed to using my real one, to keep my identity anonymous). But for now, how about these?

https://www.totaljobs.com/careers-ad...ed-cv-template
interviewing - How long is too long of an unemployment gap? - The Workplace Stack Exchange
https://www.theguardian.com/careers/...ss-to-employer
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskUK/comme...g_firedmental/
https://www.monster.com/resumes/post-resume/
https://ivetriedthat.com/2016/03/08/...g-video-games/
Millennial kids can earn $10,000 a month playing video games - MarketWatch

Don't give up and withdraw and get isolated again, it's been good to see you posting and helping others too. Hang in there, PC people are here to support you.
Thank you. I will give these a view.

I'm grateful that somebody shows me some compassion here. I can't help but to think that I upset seesaw or something because I feel like she is deliberately ignoring me.

I don't mean to be hurtful or dishonest to people I really don't, but nobody has taught me any better and I've had to be this way to survive. After all, not all of us are fortunate enough to be born into a well off family who actually taught us how to live as an adult. For many of us, being a bit dishonest is essential or so I thought.

Again, thank you.
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You're welcome. You're a good guy, deep down. You haven't had an easy life. Give yourself a break. And don't worry about upsetting anyone, we're all messed up in our own ways. Keep going!
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I read through these and I'm going to try some of the resume building advice from a few of those links.

My eventual goal is to make an income both off my gaming as a twitch streamer and YouTuber as well as (hopefully) some eSports game tournaments one day as well as possibly running my own webstore dropshipping and reselling gamer and anime related stuff but making money doing things like this takes time to build up and I need a way to earn an income now while I build something like that up.
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I have also take much effort for my 1st job. I would recommend you all to take more efforts as much as you can. I have finally succeed in finding the entry level job.
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I'm most likely done even trying with this for now. I'm still volunteering and building references but instead of even bothering finding an entry level job making minimum wage where people won't give a flying flip about me, I'm getting a FAFSA and going to community college and using my leftover loan money to have a tiny house built.

I will attempt finding employment later this year after I get my FAFSA so I can get the full amount that they give you when you don't have an income. Perhaps by then, I will have enough references and things to put on a resume built up to where I can get a decent job easily.

Until then, I'm taking a hiatus. After all, why struggle when there is an easy way out?
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I'm most likely done even trying with this for now. I'm still volunteering and building references but instead of even bothering finding an entry level job making minimum wage where people won't give a flying flip about me, I'm getting a FAFSA and going to community college and using my leftover loan money to have a tiny house built.

I will attempt finding employment later this year after I get my FAFSA so I can get the full amount that they give you when you don't have an income. Perhaps by then, I will have enough references and things to put on a resume built up to where I can get a decent job easily.

Until then, I'm taking a hiatus. After all, why struggle when there is an easy way out?
If you are planning on resuming your work search later in the year I recommend looking for Christmas temp vacancies - because many companies (especially stores) need a large number of people for the busy period they will often be less picky and give applicants with less/no experience a chance.

At worst you get to gain a few months pay and experience (and recent reference) and often they will take reliable workers on after Christmas - it's kind of like a trial. This is what my son did.
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If you are planning on resuming your work search later in the year I recommend looking for Christmas temp vacancies - because many companies (especially stores) need a large number of people for the busy period they will often be less picky and give applicants with less/no experience a chance.

At worst you get to gain a few months pay and experience (and recent reference) and often they will take reliable workers on after Christmas - it's kind of like a trial. This is what my son did.
Sounds like a plan! I'm also considering the fact that if I get into community college this summer, I should have college resources available for me to make a job search much easier not to mention if I do well in school, I can put that on a resume as well.

I'll have a better plan formed within the next week when I go have a tour of the campus and talk to admissions and what not but as it stands now, this is my plan and I'm sticking to it.

In the meantime, I will continue to rely on plasma donation money.

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