[stevelord]

Hi I eliminate half my lifelong case of depression, since adolescence, in an hour by placing my hand in the same position as the fetus in the womb, holding it up near my chin or upper chest merely by bending my arm at the elbow, one hand is enough, holding it still, nothing in my hand, I can rest my elbow on anything If I want, sitting or standing or walking, and if lying down by lying on my back , placing my hand on my upper chest, fingers curled into a loose fist, always needing to be not in the presence of any electronics due to their radiation including any computer equipment or flat screened tv must be fifteen to seventeen feet away, cell phone three feet, non flat screened tv five feet, all distances from any part of my body, taking all rings and watch off, and the longer I remain in that position , the more depression is eliminated , all of it in a day, never conks out. feel some noticeable improvement after even ten minutes.

Steve Lord

Thanks for sharing. Glad that helps you.

[stevelord]

Did ayone try this method?

Thanks STeve Lord

[stevelord]

This method is profoundly effective and I have good reason why I believe this will work for every person which I can post. , So I must have posted this message to at least 8 depression forums, yet no one reports having tried it, even after I ask if anyone tried it. This gets frustrating for me because I know how effective it is, half my depression is described above in an hour of doing this and all of in a day if done as above. IF lying down you can place your hand on your upper chest with fingers curled into a loose fist to prevent your whole flat palm from resting on your chest, rather just the backs of your fingers and the heal of your hand. I have reason to believe it wont work as well if you smoke or take immunosuppressive drugs, but Im not sure of this. So can someone here help me to understand why no one will try this, it being free and easy and can be started immediately?

Thanks, Steve Lord

[unaluna]

Probably nobody will let go of their electronics for that long. Or if they do, they fall asleep - I will! That's probably what stops us from trying it.

[H3rmit]

Originally Posted by stevelord

So I must have posted this message to at least 8 depression forums, yet no one reports having tried it, even after I ask if anyone tried it. This gets frustrating for me because I know how effective it is, half my depression is described above in an hour of doing this and all of in a day if done as above.

I'm not sure if you're pulling our legs or out of touch with reality, but if no one tries it, it's probably because it seems pretty silly, especially the bit about distances from electronics. Very silly.
Lifelong depression . . . what, does your depression regrow in the night like Prometheus' liver, only to be eaten again by your technique each day? Not a very good technique, then, is it?

[Sistah]

Originally Posted by stevelord

This method is profoundly effective and I have good reason why I believe this will work for every person which I can post. , So I must have posted this message to at least 8 depression forums, yet no one reports having tried it, even after I ask if anyone tried it. This gets frustrating for me because I know how effective it is, half my depression is described above in an hour of doing this and all of in a day if done as above. IF lying down you can place your hand on your upper chest with fingers curled into a loose fist to prevent your whole flat palm from resting on your chest, rather just the backs of your fingers and the heal of your hand. I have reason to believe it wont work as well if you smoke or take immunosuppressive drugs, but Im not sure of this. So can someone here help me to understand why no one will try this, it being free and easy and can be started immediately?

Thanks, Steve Lord

I have to say that I don't quite understand what you are saying.

[allimsaying]

I agree with George. Im glad it works for you. I know when I meditate I get to such a high state of sensitivity, combined with a high degree of tranquility, that the environment has to be 'perfect' for it to be most effective. If I want to be highly technical about it, I prefer a white painted room, natural sunlight, I make sure Im pointed east, with proper posture, firmly grounded and oriented, proper breathing, etc. Loud noises and distractions create interruptions so I try to minimize electronics, etc. Even the humming of the refrigerator can be distracting and I 'imagine' I feel the electrical currents flowing through my body. I believe its possible to become so adept at this though that no distraction would be powerful enough to break my concentration. I could do it in traffic, while walking, riding my bike, standing in line at the grocery store, etc. Its ironic, through concentration, I achieve relaxation. It takes practice. But thats me personally. Im glad it works for you.

[newlifeyeah]

Originally Posted by stevelord

This method is profoundly effective and I have good reason why I believe this will work for every person which I can post. , So I must have posted this message to at least 8 depression forums, yet no one reports having tried it, even after I ask if anyone tried it. This gets frustrating for me because I know how effective it is, half my depression is described above in an hour of doing this and all of in a day if done as above. IF lying down you can place your hand on your upper chest with fingers curled into a loose fist to prevent your whole flat palm from resting on your chest, rather just the backs of your fingers and the heal of your hand. I have reason to believe it wont work as well if you smoke or take immunosuppressive drugs, but Im not sure of this. So can someone here help me to understand why no one will try this, it being free and easy and can be started immediately?

Thanks, Steve Lord

that would be great if you could post a video of this, or something. cause I kinda have a poor imagination right now

[catsrhelm]

I'll have to try it.

[grace428]

Originally Posted by stevelord

Hi I eliminate half my lifelong case of depression, since adolescence, in an hour by placing my hand in the same position as the fetus in the womb, holding it up near my chin or upper chest merely by bending my arm at the elbow, one hand is enough, holding it still, nothing in my hand, I can rest my elbow on anything If I want, sitting or standing or walking, and if lying down by lying on my back , placing my hand on my upper chest, fingers curled into a loose fist, always needing to be not in the presence of any electronics due to their radiation including any computer equipment or flat screened tv must be fifteen to seventeen feet away, cell phone three feet, non flat screened tv five feet, all distances from any part of my body, taking all rings and watch off, and the longer I remain in that position , the more depression is eliminated , all of it in a day, never conks out. feel some noticeable improvement after even ten minutes.

Steve Lord

Hi Steve! I have a similar meditation I do to fall asleep at night. Have you ever seen a baby sleep? It's little tummy rises and falls slowly and peacefully, and can even make a stressed out mom relax. Well, I came up with a meditation I call "putting the baby to sleep". I focus on my stomach, bellybutton, and think of it as the baby I once was, and find myself relaxing and 90% of the time I fall asleep in minutes. If I have trouble focusing I lay my hand on my belly button. Sounds kind of funny, like what the old mystics called "navel gazing", but, it works for me as I said about 90% of the time. I think I am nurturing the child that wasn't nurtured well at all when I was young. Blessings to you! Have a peaceful day.

[allimsaying]

I hope it works for all of you

[stevelord]

Thank you for your replies. I will get to them but first I want to post my mother's experience duplicating the fetus behavior that is much easier than having to hold your hand up, she did so for regrowing bone in her hip that thad resorbed from a hip implant. I dont think this has ever been done before. These fetal duplicating methods work on many many things with unprecedented results in the now forty people who have tried it for various aliments and injuries, except Im the only one who has tried it for depression. I treat 24 hours a day and only three times have I felt a trace of depression in 17 years and I had felt some depression almost ever day since I was 13, and those 3 times were the one time my neighbor unbeknownst to me bought a flat screened tv , the adjoining apartment and would have been within 17 feet of me, one time when I suffered a profound grieving experience, a one in a lifetime thing where my life dream was apparently dashed, , and one several week period when I didnt treat it with any methods and depression came back, just to show you it was till there but for the fetal method.

This pretty obviously evolved in the fetus to help it thrive, there must be a gene or genes that have been created. I will post some evidence later that makes teh case that electronics in a vulnerable person, if we are too close to them CAUSES depression. I know it does in me. ANd a way you might be able to negate the effect that worked for me.

By the way I recently read that SSRI's are immunosuppressive which may or may not reduce the effectiveness of this method. My brother says they also suppress his higher level thinking ability,, which is what St Johns Wort and tofranil did for me too. Maybe they all do. ANd this method I am talking about is so effective I cant imagine anyone needing an SSRI, if they can also get around the electronics problem and do this mehod. BTW it does not bother me to watch a non flat screened tv if I am at least five feet from it with all parts of my body, even my feet.

"My mothers story is interesting. SHe is 96 and had a hip implant in 1985. the type of implant she was told as related to me by her was supposed to last ten years, then may have to be replaced. because they would sometimes fail due to bone resorbtion. Right at the ten year mark she was becoming crippled again and was told the bone had resorbed away from the implant and needed replacement. She needed a wheel chair if she had to walk any distance. We started treating it with a very simple but very effective natural method that appears to work by stimulating osteoblast activity and she started to improve almost immediately.

In several months her hip was perfect and she was playing golf and needed no replacement. She kept up the therapy, switching to a similar natural therapy based on the same principle but was even stronger in effect. Both evidently work by stimulating osteoblast activity. It was to duplicate one of the hand positions the fetus adopts most commonly in the womb.. All off these common positions work, for verious medical problems, I and others have cured our colds in one to two hours for example, but this one was the easiest to do. In photographs , the fetus sucks his thumb, and holds his hands in various uprigiht position usually upper chest high. Note that those positions of holding the hands upright usually chest or upper chest or shoulder high are the most common ones in tai chi, qi gong, and falun gong, each of which ihaving been proven to be effective in studies even when done for a short period. We found cia a lot of testing that the fetus must have also explored its ear with its finger. We found it worked just as well to place a piece of cotton in the ear rather than our finger, but it had to be in all the way so it touched the inner wall or it didnt work.

So she gently tapped a piece of a cotton ball into ONE, not both, ear rolled up to be the size of a small marble It had to fit snugly enough to duplicate the feeling of her forefingertip touching the inner wall next to the ear canal, but not so large that it was uncomfortable so she tapped it ingently a few times until it stops going in any further, This would be similar to putting in a round ear plug for noise blockage in her ear but ear plugs dont work, nothing else worked, only cotton did. That must be where the fetus placed his finger in his ear most often . It must be touching that innermost wall in order to work , I found. She mostly just used it at night during sleep when I had read 90 percent of all bone growth occurred. She slept on her back so that she didnt roll over on her ear and dislodge it. IF she woke up evern for a moment during sleep she checked it by tapping it a couple gently a few times to make sure it was still in all the way , touching the inner wall. She always did so gently, we didnt want her to mash it in.

. Her hip remained fine until 2004 I think it was, when it deteriorated again, the bone had resorbed again, and she said she was again very crippled. I couldnt understand what had gone wrong.

Then I heard on the radio that cotton farmers had switched to genetically modified cotton and a Professor at the University of Arizona told me that every cotton ball then would have some GMO cotton it it. He said it had a fish gene in it. Bingo, it was no longer fooling the body into thinking it was a finger. We switched to organic cotton balls , we bought Oraganic Essentials brand, grown in Texas. which were available at Health Food markets, CVS Pharmacy or many places on line, and her hip bone regrew again and she has been fine through today., the 28the year since her implant that failed after ten.

We also tried this therapy for other things and found it doesnt work if one is too near electronic equipment , including cell or mobile phone so she put those a few feet from where she slept, and made sure her tv, radio, (computer equipment) were off in her bedroom during her sleep. It doesnt work if one has a hearing aid in the other ear so she always made sure she took her hearing aids out during sleep. It works less well if one is taking immune suppressing drugs. She took only blood pressure medicine. I found that smoking makes it work considerably less well but the later stages of sleep may be long enough from ones last cigarette that it still does some good. .One other thing I found was that having nylon on, especially over the area that was the target of treatment , her hip, reduces the effect, and so I had sent her some night gowns made from organic cotton, and she didnt wear nylon underwear. and she didnt use nylon sheets or blankets.

We found also that the desired effect can also be produced by having the hand or hand lying on the upper chest, fingers curled into a loose fist so that the whole flat palm wasnt touching the upper chest, just the backs of the fingers and the heal of the palm. It is probably stronger if the covers dont cover the hand which would make it more like the fetal experience. One could rest his hand on top of the covers to prevent that or just not pull the covers up all the way, but it doenst work as well either when we get cold, so she made sure to stay warm all night.

I should add that I have found that this therapy seemingly improves all functions of the body and one of those things is circulation I assume becaise I proved to myself that this therapy can increase drug effect a little, and that would include tylenol or acetamenophen, , but all she took was high blood pressure medicine.

So thats her story.

Steve Lord, Santa Barbara, California "






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[stevelord]

I googled SSRI's immunosuppressive and the first article from Mind and Muscle posted the abstracts from medical journal studies showing that SSRI's cause immunosuppression, which is the opposite of the profound immunostimulative effect of these fetal positions,they cure a cold within two hours, and may reduce the benefits from this method, for depression , not sure.

Regarding electronics causing depression, the British Mail Online , first listing under google for computer depression, states the following,

Why using a computer can cause depression

by OLINKA KOSTER, Daily Mail

"Sitting in front of a computer screen for five hours a day can dramatically increase the risk of depression and insomnia, new research suggests
Previous studies have focused on how too much screen time can cause physical afflictions, such as headaches, eye strain, and backache.
Now one of the biggest ever investigations into the hazards of computers in the workplace has concluded that they can also damage mental health.
In a three-year survey of 25,000 workers, many complained of feeling depressed, anxious and reluctant to get up for work in the mornings.?

regarding a study in the Journal of Industrial Medicine. The authors attributed the depression to being isolated on the computer for more than five hours, even though the office had other workers in it, but that is ludicrous, because that would mean anyone who lived alone and thus was isolated for up to 15 hours a day without even another human being around would be much more depressed than these workers, The authors simply didnt consider the elctronics angle. I first starting reading posts from people over ten years ago saying their computers were causing them depression. About 25 years ago I stayed in a hotel for 3 weks within a few feet of a street power line and for the entire time I was very very depressed for no reason unti I finally moved out and then a friend took my room for a week and the same thing happened to him, VERY depressed.

I know for certain that if within roughtly 15-17 feet of a flat screened tv, less than five feet from a non flat screened tv, less than about two feet of a cell phone and lets say less than six feet from a modern radio, being in most modern cars dueto the radio and the computer chips, within roughly 15 feet depending on the brand of any computer equipment totally abolishes the effect of this fetal method. EVen if the flat screened tv is in the adjoining apartment as I posted in my previous post, and will cause me depression.

I read one can shield himself from electronic radiation by simple intent, which I was able to do, although I have some psi ability in this regard and I dont know if someone who doesnt can pull this off but you could try. I merely say to myself "I am blocking all the electronic radiation in this room" I ihad to say this a number of times over the period of several days to finally get it to work, but now that I did, I can do it anywhere in any room or circumstance.just by saying it once. I can tell when the electronic radiation is blocked or when it isnt by the fact that I have some brain damage that causes me to get an uncomfortable feeling and a headache if too close to an electronic,confirmed by the fact that I know when anything is stimulating my immunity or suppressing it due to a unique factor in my blood studied at various institutions which causes my muscles to contract when my immunity is being stimulated, which is how I found these fetal methods in the first place, and contract to the same degree as the degree of immune stimulation. Electronics suppress my immunity which I also know from what this factor causes in their presence and from the fact that I cannot cure a throat virus if too close and in fact it always gets worse after about five mnutes. Look at anyones eyes after they have been on a computer for at least five minutes and you will see a tell tale drawn look that does not exist when away from electroiics. including cell phone.

STeve Lord

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[stevelord]

Originally Posted by quietgrace

Hi Steve! I have a similar meditation I do to fall asleep at night. Have you ever seen a baby sleep? It's little tummy rises and falls slowly and peacefully, and can even make a stressed out mom relax. Well, I came up with a meditation I call "putting the baby to sleep". I focus on my stomach, bellybutton, and think of it as the baby I once was, and find myself relaxing and 90% of the time I fall asleep in minutes. If I have trouble focusing I lay my hand on my belly button. Sounds kind of funny, like what the old mystics called "navel gazing", but, it works for me as I said about 90% of the time. I think I am nurturing the child that wasn't nurtured well at all when I was young. Blessings to you! Have a peaceful day.

QuietGrace thanks, that sounds like it is close to or is another common fettal position of the hand,, so when I place the web of my hand which is between my thumb and forefinger right next to my navel, that too stimulates immunitiy as well as any other position, thus that must be how the fetus held its umbilical cord.

By the way people say glad this works for you , as if it wouldnt work for them, but since this appears to work due to a triggering of a gene that evolved in the fetus plus the across the board effect and in a total of forty people I referred to above, and consistency of it working for others if done correctly I believe this will work for anyone.

Steve Lord

[stevelord]

I see I forgot to add to take your rings and watch off too when you do this.

Steve Lord

[allimsaying]

It wasnt my intention to imply that it may not work for others when I said I was glad it works for you Steve. Im grateful for your post, it makes a lot of sense to me. I am being sincere to say Im glad it works for you and I hope it works for everyone

Oh, and you did include taking your watch and jewelry off. They conduct electricity which is a factor

[stevelord]

Originally Posted by allimsaying

It wasnt my intention to imply that it may not work for others when I said I was glad it works for you Steve. Im grateful for your post, it makes a lot of sense to me. I am being sincere to say Im glad it works for you and I hope it works for everyone

Oh, and you did include taking your watch and jewelry off. They conduct electricity which is a factor

Thats the spirit, Allilm!. THe reason I think rings interfere with this method is I thinkk because they touch the area the area between the fingers or thumb and fingner, thus reproducing the fetus holding his ambilical cord, but do so with a piece of metal rather than a human body part and the body balks at that and the stimulation from having the hand up is reduced. THe watch detracts because of the battery. Just holding a batter in my hand suppresses my immunity.

Steve Lord

[allimsaying]

Its relative to our personal degree of sensitivity I think Steve. The more sensitivity aware we become, the greater will be the distraction created by interference. Also, the more 'normalized' we become in our sensitivity, greater will be the decrease in the interferences ability to distract.

[stevelord]

Originally Posted by Sistah

I have to say that I don't quite understand what you are saying.

Simplest way to say it is sit or stand or walk even with one hand near your chin, held reasonably still, nothing in your hand. Do you see? Or if lying down, put your hand on your upper chest, with fingers curled into a loose fist, thats the whole thing, away from electronics as described above, taking immunosuppressive drugs and smoking or wearing a ring or watch will reduce the action, also dont have anything in your ear when you do ths unless you are doing the organic cotton in the ear method. OR you can place your hand if more comfortable near your clavicle or upper chest, you can rest your elbow on something OR if you like you can put your upper arm straight out to the side, thats the way a fetus arm begins growing at first, , , rest it on something like a couch cushion, again curl your fingers into a oose fist because you dont want your whole palm to be touching anything, , just the heal of it, but have the arm parrellel to the side or buy a three dollar bag of organic cotton balls and do it like described in my mothers story. Actually I have found that any time my hand or hands are above my waist, especially if held still, nothing in my hand, that causes SOME immune stimulation and all the other things the fetalhand positoin does for us, improving the function of every part of the body I have ever tested it on, and the closer to the most common fetal hand positons, or in the case of the finger in its ear- the same area bgeing touched each time , the inner chamber of the ear , that is, the greater the immune and other healing and function systems will be stimulated

[stevelord]

Originally Posted by allimsaying

Its relative to our personal degree of sensitivity I think Steve. The more sensitivity aware we become, the greater will be the distraction created by interference. Also, the more 'normalized' we become in our sensitivity, greater will be the decrease in the interferences ability to distract.

Allim IM not talking about distracttion, Im talking ablut detraction, meaning reduction in power, maybe even elimination of any effect. I also believe that since this evolved over millions of years of fetal activity, that it will apply equally to all, its now a gene or genes in all of us just as is the forming of vitamin D in the skin from sunlight is in all of us. Some things are individual but not all things. We all need oxygen, we all need sleep, vitamins, minerals, etc etc.

The Easterners call this force or energy , or gene triggering effect that initiates a process in the body, "chi" or "Qi" the triggering of whole body improved functioning by various triggers, like tai chi and qi Gong and even Yoga, and falun gong, in which in all four of those the hands are held above the waist, or in yoga when bending over, they are still held in justaposition with the upper body ,which is what triggers the response. BUt in all four of those disciplines they often keep the hands moving constantly which lessens the effect a lot, and they dont keep doing it long enough for the full effect and I assume many people do it near electronics and in addition these four practices, although studies show they ARE effective in various healings etc, they dont always assume the most common fetal hand positions. and so dont get the most out of what this thread describes as is possible.

Steve Lord

[allimsaying]

Enlightening. Thank you Better to do with out the distractions/detractions. Im just interpreting it as both being a reduction in power. I get what you're talking about and that its best to practice in a controlled environment. Im only asserting that when the skill is practiced as habit, even with distraction, it would have positive effects. Maybe in a car or in the park. At a detracted value. I would think repetitive practice in the controlled environment would strengthen ones ability to withstand distraction/detraction. Sorry, not arguing, only explaining what I meant. Ive worn metals when meditating before and it had an interesting effect. In some ways it felt as though it amped up the meditations effects and at other times I found the vibration disruptive. I wear no jewelry now. Great information Steve. Thanks again!

[stevelord]

Originally Posted by allimsaying

Enlightening. Thank you Better to do with out the distractions/detractions. Im just interpreting it as both being a reduction in power. I get what you're talking about and that its best to practice in a controlled environment. Im only asserting that when the skill is practiced as habit, even with distraction, it would have positive effects. Maybe in a car or in the park. At a detracted value. I would think repetitive practice in the controlled environment would strengthen ones ability to withstand distraction/detraction. Sorry, not arguing, only explaining what I meant. Ive worn metals when meditating before and it had an interesting effect. In some ways it felt as though it amped up the meditations effects and at other times I found the vibration disruptive. I wear no jewelry now. Great information Steve. Thanks again!

You're very polite Allimsaying, I like you. Thanks.

Steve Lord

[shery53]

This did not help me at all glad it helps you but everyone is different

[stevelord]

Originally Posted by shery53

This did not help me at all glad it helps you but everyone is different

Disappointing Sharry, so what did you do exactly, and for how long? ANd are you taking SSRI's or other antidepressants or immune suppressants wearing a ring or watch, or smoke, and where did you try , in an apartment or where? What was the electronic situation including cell phone situation? You had nothing in your ear, right?

Thanks for answering this checklist Sherry so I I will know its possible for someone to fail doing this for a short time.

STeve Lord