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Old Jul 26, 2018, 10:10 AM
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Hugs, Lemon, that sounds like a really difficult session...

And I'd go ahead and see another T during his break--maybe you could find one who you'd even want to stay with longer term? I'm puzzled by the "undermining our work together" thing. I mean, when my T was away a week earlier this year, he offered to give me the name of a backup T if I wanted. I declined, but if he was going to be away for a month, pretty sure I'd have taken her name. Or maybe found one on my own.
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Old Jul 26, 2018, 10:14 AM
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Info is apparently incapable of understanding that when I write “please don’t respond to this particular statement” in an email, it doesn’t mean “don’t respond to the whole email.”
Thats the equivalent of fine motor skills, and no, t's dont use those when they read our emails.

I used to send work emails at like 2 am, and i figured that timestamp was enough to let my boss know that that was when i was leaving the office (in a time before smartphones). My boss much later told me she just figured i used something to delay the email being sent, but not that it meant anything.
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Old Jul 26, 2018, 10:33 AM
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Old Jul 26, 2018, 10:35 AM
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Can I kick your therapist? He could have handled it much better.

I've the same feelings of sometimes wishing T is my friend. I know why that's impossible etc but it still is painful. My T and ex T have talked about how we can't be friends, but also how I do have qualities that'll enable me to form healthy friendships, how the longing points to what I want in life, how we can work in therapy to build my capacity for recognizing healthy and safe people and other stuff... (I have problems with interpersonal relationships, and am socially isolated)

They've both validated the pain that we can't be friends. Ex T ever said we perhaps could have been friends in a different setting but that's not to be of course.
It was a weird moment. I had considered telling him this before and when I imagined saying it I would get really emotional about it, but when I said it, it just came out kind of flat. When he said it was normal, he didn't say it with any feeling either and I wish he had. I also wish he hadn't added in that he couldn't be my friend. I already know that and I had just said it. It hurt to hear him tell me that even though I know it's the truth. Sigh. Maybe we should talk about it some more and I should let the feelings surface, but that feels so so vulnerable.
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Old Jul 26, 2018, 10:45 AM
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So I read this, and it seemed like he might be trying to normalize your feelings, and also defend himself a bit that he is doing the best he can? I wouldn't like getting this to read either, but I can easily imagine my T giving it to someone. If it helps, my T told me last session he was too busy to look at what I wanted to talk about in the session, so I should just tell him, and he would stick the email in his trash. He later said he was just teasing me bc it is so hard for me to get started , but it didn't feel that way too me. It hurt my feelings. There is a huge canyon between the T perspective and ours it seems like once in a while, between What they mean and what we take away? That article seemed to send the message he realizes it is difficult and messy for you, that it is normal and other therapy client/provider duos face the same challenge, that it isn't easy for him or you(?). That is my takeaway.
Wow. That comment from your T seems really insensitive. That would have hurt my feelings too.

In the article, this line bugged me.
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Therapists need to be very careful to give clear signals about where the boundaries are, and what they can and cannot do.
I know there are boundaries and I don't expect him to be there all the time, and there is a part of me that wants more, but I do know it's not possible. I don't know why he keeps telling me over and over. I get it. He also asked me to read a longer version by the same guy and I just kept crying while I read it last night. I was a bit emotional about it.

http://howtherapyworks.com/attachment-therapist-primer/
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Old Jul 26, 2018, 10:54 AM
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Info is apparently incapable of understanding that when I write “please don’t respond to this particular statement” in an email, it doesn’t mean “don’t respond to the whole email.”
The part (or a part) that always baffled me and pissed me off was that those people rarely asked for clarification - to me that sort of sentence would have me ask - do you want any response or just no response to this one thing. But no, those guys wrongly assume they know more than they do and go with their incorrect assumptions.
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Old Jul 26, 2018, 12:33 PM
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(((NP))) Thanks for the link. Really good article.
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Old Jul 26, 2018, 12:49 PM
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I have argued with therapists about the undermining the work thing. It's a very UK idea. Most therapists here think that to be honest. But I learnt from PC before I learnt from books/training and I fully believe that client autonomy needs to extend to seeing whoever you choose, otherwise therapists are undermining their own commitment to client autonomy.
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Old Jul 26, 2018, 12:52 PM
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I feel much better today couch. Thanks for hugs when I offloaded last night. A very angry and hurt part of myself was in charge. I sent T an angry email and he didn't respond. I emailed him again today saying I was feeling better today and reflecting on what happened last night (there are much more angry emails to him in my drafts folder which I will share with him on Wed). I told him it is my birthday and he said "Happy birthday!". It's the first time he ever said that to me in the years we have worked together and it matters to me.
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Old Jul 26, 2018, 12:58 PM
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(((((Echos))))) just because you deserve a hug

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Old Jul 26, 2018, 01:01 PM
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Old Jul 26, 2018, 01:06 PM
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Old Jul 26, 2018, 01:10 PM
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Thanks, whisper.

I feel all over the place today, Couch. I suppose I didn't think about the fact that writing it all out could go one of two ways. It could make me feel better, or it could put it down in black and white and make me realise the reality of it.


I'm wary of using the word crisis, but this has felt pretty damn close for me...even though my physical safety was never in question, my emotional wellbeing definitely has been/is.
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Old Jul 26, 2018, 01:11 PM
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Old Jul 26, 2018, 01:12 PM
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I feel much better today couch. Thanks for hugs when I offloaded last night. A very angry and hurt part of myself was in charge. I sent T an angry email and he didn't respond. I emailed him again today saying I was feeling better today and reflecting on what happened last night (there are much more angry emails to him in my drafts folder which I will share with him on Wed). I told him it is my birthday and he said "Happy birthday!". It's the first time he ever said that to me in the years we have worked together and it matters to me.
H a P p Y B i R t h D a Y Echos!

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Old Jul 26, 2018, 01:14 PM
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H a P p Y B i R t h D a Y Echos!

I hope you have a wonderful day.

Thaaaaaank you. Bailey's Strawberry and Cream. Enough said.
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Old Jul 26, 2018, 01:20 PM
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Hugs, Lemon, that sounds like a really difficult session...

And I'd go ahead and see another T during his break--maybe you could find one who you'd even want to stay with longer term? I'm puzzled by the "undermining our work together" thing. I mean, when my T was away a week earlier this year, he offered to give me the name of a backup T if I wanted. I declined, but if he was going to be away for a month, pretty sure I'd have taken her name. Or maybe found one on my own.
I originally had emailed new therapist D and had arranged an appointment for the 2nd, but emailed again asking if he has anything for tomorrow- I'm just feeling very dysregulated. I bet he can tell I'm already a potential fatal attraction client. New T only has 4 years experience working as a T....

R said at the time something along the lines of other people having other opinions which could be problematic.
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Old Jul 26, 2018, 01:22 PM
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Thanks, whisper.

I feel all over the place today, Couch. I suppose I didn't think about the fact that writing it all out could go one of two ways. It could make me feel better, or it could put it down in black and white and make me realise the reality of it.


I'm wary of using the word crisis, but this has felt pretty damn close for me...even though my physical safety was never in question, my emotional wellbeing definitely has been/is.
Pain at the end of the day is still pain regardless of what it's called.

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Old Jul 26, 2018, 01:22 PM
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Old Jul 26, 2018, 01:23 PM
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Old Jul 26, 2018, 01:27 PM
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I hate when I start having some sort of breakthrough and start crying right at the end of session. Because then there's no time to address it. (He seemed very caring about it though.) Continued the breakthrough in the car and ended up e-mailing T about it (also from the car). It's possible he'll read it and go, "Duh, obviously," but hopefully he'll see it as the breakthrough I did.
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Old Jul 26, 2018, 01:34 PM
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Old Jul 26, 2018, 01:36 PM
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I hate when I start having some sort of breakthrough and start crying right at the end of session. Because then there's no time to address it. (He seemed very caring about it though.) Continued the breakthrough in the car and ended up e-mailing T about it (also from the car). It's possible he'll read it and go, "Duh, obviously," but hopefully he'll see it as the breakthrough I did.
Perhaps rather than the "Duh" he'll think instead how proud he is of how far you've come. I've only been following your therapy posts for around a year but I can see the growth in your posts.

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Old Jul 26, 2018, 01:41 PM
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Perhaps rather than the "Duh" he'll think instead how proud he is of how far you've come. I've only been following your therapy posts for around a year but I can see the growth in your posts.


Thanks, Lemon. I'm more concerned that it might seem a really obvious realization to a therapist, but maybe not? I mean...apparently it never really hit me before in the past, oh, 7 years of therapy...Or it did but I never really addressed it.

I do feel like I'm making much more progress with this T compared to ex-T (or ex-MC). Yeah, he has his flaws, but he seems to be helping me. And he does seem quite knowledgeable about certain areas, like trauma, which was the main topic today. Just not so much transference...
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Old Jul 26, 2018, 01:44 PM
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