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Old Jul 26, 2018, 05:08 PM
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Did R say this?
" I guess you want me to apologize, for what's happened for making a mistake. What good is an apology if there's no hope for forgiveness? If I apologized now - it would be me being humiliated, and I would express anger, venom and hatred."

It is interesting that if he apologised, and you didnt forgive him, he would feel humiliated. That is very strong, maybe too strong to give that much power to a client. You know I love R, but I dont really agree with the intensity he has here. It seems like he was off his game, and really did feel badly. I bet he feels guilty about leaving you for "vacay". I know it is wrong, but it enrages me how much some T's take vacations.

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I just finished with R. I don't have everything down 100%

I thought that originally I was supposed to see him on tuesday the 31st as well as he gave me the dates of the 1st- 27th of august. He said today was our last session.

I burst out crying right from the start, because it felt sudden and I didn't expect it.

R: "I do want to make this better. I don't want you going into this break thinking that I'm unreliable or angry. I'm a human being who makes mistakes, but I want to try to make things better."

Guilt, confusion and shame were powerful feelings, better that he had them than me.

S: It was your responsibility to make sure we were on the same page.

R: I'm supposed to keep up with changed session times, and missed sessions. In an ideal world maybe I would have. You don't trust me, why do you keep coming? I need you to trust me now, that this doesn't have to be hopeless.

S: Do you want my pin and my online banking details too?

He sighed.

R: You call me a fraud, accept no responsibility blame him, reinforce beliefs even though I didn't get better. So I could have the sense that I was right.

S:You said the 1st to the 27th. I assumed that I would also see you on tuesday.

R: Well I stand with what I said. In an ideal world, not substituting and switching sessions. boundaries and keeping agreements ( this is about me not wanting to do three sessions over two long term- but I can't justify the cost unless i'm in a very very low place).

S: okay then.

R: I guess you want me to apologize, for what's happened for making a mistake. What good is an apology if there's no hope for forgiveness? If I apologized now - it would be me being humiliated, and I would express anger, venom and hatred.

S:Yes because that's all I am. (more crying)

R:I've seen the good in you, encouraged you to develop and grow. In this moment I see child part 7 and older part who doubts me.I was going to see you on tuesday, but since you find it impossible for me for me to offer you anything without you beating me around the head and putting the time to good use.

S: If I'm special why don't you take better care of me?

R:In your world people constantly making judgements, so I made judgments about others. I was confused, people were okay then no good. That I had a strong desire to be special being ordinary was no good. If you behave like your so special everyone else is destined to fail. Doesn't have to be one or the either. You don't have to let people walk all over you- but you don't have to set standards so high.

S: The quote from the little prince "I did not understand anything, I ought to have judged my deeds and not words."

R: I was busy judging someones deeds, look at what he was offering. I'm prepared to accept so I want to make it up to you, honoring an agreement. Both be people who didn't honor agreements. I'd pass up the session.

S:You're on holiday.

R: You'll hate me.

S: I already hate you.

R: I'll call you on tuesday, I'm sorry this has happened it's still surprising to me.

S: I hope you have a wonderful holiday.

I don't want to see him on Tuesday after this session.
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Old Jul 26, 2018, 05:16 PM
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NP, I think you T is worried about you, and he is offering something special to you- transparency. He is asking you so see yourself through more gentle eyes ad himself too. He knows you are genuinely suffering so much that he stayed present to you in the weekend. The lines below? He wants you to trust him.

" Furthermore the therapist’s defense is only an additional proof that he/she is trying to cover up bad intentions. So, helping patients understand the child in the room is really challenging, even for therapists skilled enough to see it themselves."

The biggest source of trouble in therapy is the therapist’s failure to recognize or correctly deal with the presence of the child. It is when the therapist reacts as if the patient were a difficult adult. This misinterpretation is the therapist’s responsibility because the patient doesn’t have a fair chance of recognizing what is happening and can only be expected to experience transference as simple reality



This is where I see StopDog's comment about therapists being kind og high on themselves: "Therapy is like water to a dry seed. The yearning comes alive in the context of a relationship with someone who seems to understand and be willing to help." Really, people? You better bring something more than understanding and caring , bc my SO is both of those. He is not trained in CPTSD though.

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Wow. That comment from your T seems really insensitive. That would have hurt my feelings too.

In the article, this line bugged me.I know there are boundaries and I don't expect him to be there all the time, and there is a part of me that wants more, but I do know it's not possible. I don't know why he keeps telling me over and over. I get it. He also asked me to read a longer version by the same guy and I just kept crying while I read it last night. I was a bit emotional about it.

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Old Jul 26, 2018, 05:25 PM
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omgomgomgomgomg....turns out i am going to this wellness recovery program TOMORROW MORNING. OMG. They told me on tuesday that it might be this coming monday, maybe tuesday. I thought I had all weekend to pack/clean/lay with the kitties as much as possible...and now i need to do that all in one night.

i am freaking out, and am incapacitated. i don't want to clean a single thing or pack. i don't even know if i really want to go. what am i thinking?!

omg.
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Old Jul 26, 2018, 05:30 PM
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omgomgomgomgomg....turns out i am going to this wellness recovery program TOMORROW MORNING. OMG. They told me on tuesday that it might be this coming monday, maybe tuesday. I thought I had all weekend to pack/clean/lay with the kitties as much as possible...and now i need to do that all in one night.

i am freaking out, and am incapacitated. i don't want to clean a single thing or pack. i don't even know if i really want to go. what am i thinking?!

omg.
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Old Jul 26, 2018, 05:35 PM
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She still hasn’t answered even after I clarified. I think this may be because I told her I didn’t want to hear yet another anodyne “I get that.”

In other words I am requiring her to think past the therapist manual.
Interesting. I find observing some of these experts fascinating. How do they respond when it’s not in their therapist’s manual . I frequently find myself agreeing with much of what stopdog posts. I wish the “truth” did not hurt so much. And I’m often confused about what exactly is the “truth” as well. Keep us updated
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Old Jul 26, 2018, 05:44 PM
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For the past week i have only been able post randomly as i lose connection (only with pc) or the site half loads or my posts hust get lost. Anyone else having more problems than usual?
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Old Jul 26, 2018, 05:55 PM
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R: "You don't trust me, why do you keep coming?"
Me: "If you can't earn and keep a patient's trust, why are you a therapist?"
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Old Jul 26, 2018, 05:56 PM
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Pocket riders in case t yells at me? She probly won't but I can't shake the feeling that she's gonna be different somehow now. Session is in about an hour.
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Old Jul 26, 2018, 05:59 PM
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Me - what the hell does trust have to do with it.
The therapist is a stranger who sits and collects money for rent. Trust isn't a part of it.
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Old Jul 26, 2018, 06:04 PM
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Therapists need to be very careful to give clear signals about where the boundaries are, and what they can and cannot do.
This is a no-win situation at the heart of therapy.
The patient does not want to hear clear boundaries, particularly not where T wants to draw them. So she doesn't hear them, and feels betrayed later.

Added to which, a lot of therapists are not clear, even if the patient is willing to hear.

And yet therapists always act surprised when the boundaries are not understood! You'd think they would learn...

PS: If the patient really understood at the beginning how little the T was offering, they might give up there and then.
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Old Jul 26, 2018, 06:05 PM
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Me - what the hell does trust have to do with it.
The therapist is a stranger who sits and collects money for rent. Trust isn't a part of it.
I sometimes wish I could feel that way.
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Old Jul 26, 2018, 06:10 PM
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R said at the time something along the lines of other people having other opinions which could be problematic.


Other people might also have other insights.
Plus, Ts can be wrong and a second opinion can reveal that.
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Old Jul 26, 2018, 06:17 PM
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This is a no win situation at the heart of therapy.
The patient does not want to hear clear boundaries, particularly not where T wants to draw them. So she doesn't hear them, and feels betrayed later.

Added to which, a lot of therapists are not clear, even if the patient is willing to hear.

And yet therapists are always surprised when the boundaries are not understood! You'd think they would learn...
I’m sure it’s no surprise to the masses that the T was an “offender” in this area as well. Very unclear, passive aggressive.. i was a tool for him to learn on I suppose. But I’m no fool. Not intended to be triggering, but he freakin triggered me all the time. On purpose ggrrrrrrr
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Other people might also have other insights.
Plus, Ts can be wrong and a second opinion can reveal that.
Good post. T’s being possibly wrong. Amazing

And if the second opinion is wrong as well... but different .. ugh
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Old Jul 26, 2018, 06:20 PM
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Me - what the hell does trust have to do with it.
The therapist is a stranger who sits and collects money for rent. Trust isn't a part of it.
We have different ideas of what we want from our therapists, Malfoy.
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Old Jul 26, 2018, 06:26 PM
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We have different ideas of what we want from our therapists, Malfoy.
I had hoped for some trust or trustworthy behaviour from them
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Old Jul 26, 2018, 06:28 PM
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I had hoped for some trust or trustworthy behaviour from them
I'm sure the majority of us do. But Stopdog is a special case.
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Old Jul 26, 2018, 06:29 PM
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The role of the therapist seems to be to keep the patient poised between hope and despair.
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The role of the therapist seems to be to keep the patient poised between hope and despair.
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Old Jul 26, 2018, 06:34 PM
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Pathetic, kinda needy e-mail to my t: sent! Perhaps we should have taken a different approach to working on the trauma list...
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Interesting. I find observing some of these experts fascinating. How do they respond when it’s not in their therapist’s manual . I frequently find myself agreeing with much of what stopdog posts. I wish the “truth” did not hurt so much. And I’m often confused about what exactly is the “truth” as well. Keep us updated
She turned to another page of the therapist manual: “Let’s discuss this next session.”

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(By the way, “therapist manual” comes from a short story I read recently by Amy Bloom, “Silver Water.” She’s a therapist herself, but does not appear to be a fan. Story includes a hilarious description of a family therapy session by a tool of a therapist. Recommended.)
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omgomgomgomgomg....turns out i am going to this wellness recovery program TOMORROW MORNING. OMG. They told me on tuesday that it might be this coming monday, maybe tuesday. I thought I had all weekend to pack/clean/lay with the kitties as much as possible...and now i need to do that all in one night.

i am freaking out, and am incapacitated. i don't want to clean a single thing or pack. i don't even know if i really want to go. what am i thinking?!

omg.
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Fuzzy paws may have messed up yet again . HOW DARE fuzzy paws have opinions, feelings, or even to breathe?

(Not about anyone on pc)
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