I am curious about readers and seers and such. I have never taken to any specific spiritual belief. I have generally been accepting of most beliefs. I have no understanding of clairvoyants though and am asking if anybody here has an understanding of the practice?

[Perna]

I learned a lot reading Dr. Judith Orloff, she's a psychic psychiatrist; her first book she wrote 10+ years ago was especially helpful to me as she discussed various psychic skills (kind of like aptitudes or learning styles):

http://www.drjudithorloff.com/

http://www.youtube.com/judithorloffmd

Thank you, Perna.

[SeptemberMorn]

I don't know how they actually DO it, but I've had my palm read and someone did tarot cards on me and none of it was right... if that helps any. I don't believe in it at all.

Oh, wait! I had an aunt that was "spiritual"... my mom called her a "spritist." Each time I got pregnant she told me what I was going to have and she was right all three times. I wasn't even showing and the last time, it was by phone. She never did see me pregnant with that baby.

i have seen several clairvoyants for readings, i have been to spiritualist church a number of times .... i believe some are in it to gain money for themselves imo, there are people who use their 'gift' to help genuinely .... i know that most of the people i have seen have had the gift from early childhood or after a life threatening moment in their lives .... i do believe there are some good clairvoyants and are reliable and genuine .... only my opinion ... Jinny xx

I believe there are ppl who have the gift to know...
I believe there are ones who can reach ppl who have past..
I believe with alot of them they are born the gift....

this did not help much
just my thoughts
muffy

I spoke to a woman today about setting up a consultation with her on Tuesday. She recommends a procedure called Emotional Freedom Techniques. I have heard of it but nothing in detail. I will have to judge according to what she says on Tuesday.

I had barely said much about my life except that there had been a death in the family many years ago, there were social challenges in my childhood and issues of today I was dealing with and she said exactly what took my group therapist a week of questions to assess. So I feel less cynical about it. She is not into tarot reading or palm readings or calling people back from the grave....none of that hollywood stuff lol.

I will give it a try and see.

[(JD)]

One October school carnival they had a booth set up, a tent, and it was a person reading and giving you information "clairvoyantly"... elementary school mind you.. it was something else, had a big impression on everyone because the lady told us things we thought no one knew... well of course we figured out it was a lady who worked at the school and all the teachers were in the tent telling her ahead of time what to say to each of us. Anyway, there are those who have true abilities in this realm, all supernaturally given, imo.

ROFL Sky, it sounds like it was a lot of fun. I wouldn't mind having a tarot card reading done for fun. Many of those activities, I only associate with fun anyway. The same with horoscopes. I feel a need to read them everyday even though I feel they are crock.

I was watching Ghost yesterday, with Whoopi Goldberg starring as Odimay Brown, the clairvoyant lol. It was very entertaining. It is just enough to tantalize the "What if" imagination.

[Lenny]

Gifts like clairvoyance, healing, the power of blood and others are just that. But they can be a Pandora's box too...

When the ego gets attached to such profound abilities, they can skew the life of the carrier and those they wish to serve...

The question "why me?" fills many moments in such a person. Gifts like these can make a person feel very alone. Faith helps.

Be very careful of charlatans who take money and become enterprises with such claimed talent for something so embodied in Grace does not work well within hypocricy. Often the most enlightened power is never advertised...

With deep respect...

Lenny

lenny
"Be very careful of charlatans who take money and become enterprises with such claimed talent for something so embodied in Grace does not work well within hypocricy. Often the most enlightened power is never advertised..."

I agree totally with this
with this kind of gift i think being humble comes with it
just my thoughts
muffy

I can't wait to see this woman tomorrow. I am very curious. However, I do go with a solemn purpose. There were too many incidents that I felt theh best way to handle was to shut up and accept what fate dealt me. I will have to step back and face some of these issues.

I can't explain why but...something is missing from the typical psychotherapy. I always feel that there is something not being treated properly. Sort of like treating a symptom but not the problem.

There may be methods this person tries that will not work either. I feel that I might need a combination or cocktail of different help to revisit and let go.

Well, so much for an appointment with the clairvoyant. I tried to track down the address, without quality instructions from either the lady I was to see or the city bus system. The woman had no permanent phone line installed yet (she is just moving in) and the neighbour, whose phone number was given to me would not help in directing me to her place. I gave up after half an hour past the appointed time. Maybe that was divine intervention ha ha. I guess the whole question of clairvoyants remains a mystery to me.

[nowheretorun]

i had wanted to respond to this earlier Ingrid but i've been experiencing some connection issues and would lose my signal at the most inopportune times.. or maybe Spirit wanted me to wait...

opening the mind to the ideas of the supernatural is a good thing i think.. uses various methods of tarot or yoga or meditation or painting and weaving are some good examples of the mind allowing the human touch to 'take a chance' with the unknown and potentially sacred.. your willingness to explore means that perhaps not this time, but next, or in another way, you are willing to hear the voice of Spirit...

best to you always

[seeker1950]

I am reluctant to post about this topic, but I have some things to say.
I have a friend who goes for "readings" regularly, goes to psychic fairs, visits meditaiton groups. I accepted one of her invitations to go for a reading, and the fella was "good," in that he was doing what is called a "cold reading," asking lots of questions till he hit on something which I acknowledged. I really think you have to be wary of these people who claim to have insights such as this.

Now, here, with great trepidation, I'm going to share with you someting I experienced as an adolescent. I was at church camp, in prayer on my cabin bunk, and I felt a great warm presence at the lower left side of my bed (describing this as accurately as I can without embellishments)....and my spirit was lifted out of my body to levitate above. It frightened me, and I was gently lowered back into my body. It was a very physical experience, and it happened two nights in a row. After that I spent a lot of time weeping. Returning home from camp, for about a week, I heard a voice at night...not my voice, but someone wise saying things I could have had no knowledge of. Was this what they call "channeling?" I tried to hold onto it, but my mother was so antagonistic, sensing my state of mind, it disappeared. This was the most profound experience of my live, and I'm 57 now. I have tried to regain this at times, but to no avail. Was I brainwashed? Was I delusional, and all in my mind (as the last man I dated, the Psych. PH.D. commented before rejecting me?) I shouldn't have revealed that to him. He said it was all in my brain, brain chemistry, you know.
Anyway, there it is. Maybe i shouldn't be sharing this. I think there are people who can be bestowed with such gifts, but they have to be so pure in their intentioins. and the world really doesn't allow that.
Patty

Dear Seeker:

I appreciate the courage it took to write this, but not to worry. I can respect the experience you had. I have had some experiences myself, although not with such strength and power as yours. I have had some simple dreams in which one small part of it actually occurs at a later time.

As much as I respect the research and the knowledge scientists have brought forth in our time, I don't credit everything in life as a chemical reaction or a brain chemical imbalance. There are some things that science still cannot explain.

I have faith in spirit and soul. I cannot say that I follow any specific path or belief though. I acknowledge that there are scam artists in these practices and there are people who will use scientific analysis and marketing ploys to make profit. After all....this is a market society we live in. But I just feel that something within me is not being reached by the medical professionals I have seen. Perhaps nobody can help me and it is something within me that I have to acknowledge or recognize. But, I do need guidance in finding my inner mistakes and learn to redirect my thought patterns. Therapists have not done this for me. I just feel my soul is dead or dying. I am emotionless most of the time. I credit this with depression but there is something deeper I need to find.

[Doh2007]

Clairvoyance just means to see beyond the range of ordinary perception. If you've ever had a hunch, you've experienced it.

I've never met anyone who could "read" the future. I think they are giving self fulfilling prophesies.

You can read about and do EFT on yourself. This website offers info and a manual. http://www.emofree.com/

I'm reading a book called _Monsters and Magical Sticks_ that talks about ways to get unstuck. It gives examples of how psychotherapy can sometimes miss the mark and gives empirical evidence of quick and effective relief from suffering.

I hope you'll share what you learn with us.

Thanks, Doh. I will look up the book.

I am a NOVICE tarot reader and also when I was a child could see auras, and still can to this day on some people, particularly when the person is angry or upset or sad or very excited - and only when I basically meditate on them or concentrate very hard.

I NEVER ask for any sort of payment - however if someone chooses to give me a gift I will accept. Thats not why I read though. I beileve the cards show you your current path and give you some insight on what will happen if you continue the way you are going - they dont tell the future as any action you make after that point can change your future.

[bebop]

I have a very dear friend that is very psychic. I had my doubts until she told me what we buried my granddaughter in. at the time I did not know this lady. I met her many months after my granddaughter died.

[seeker1950]

Thank you, Ingrid...
who said,
"But, I do need guidance in finding my inner mistakes and learn to redirect my thought patterns. Therapists have not done this for me. I just feel my soul is dead or dying. I am emotionless most of the time. I credit this with depression but there is something deeper I need to find."

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I have the same feelings at this time in my life.
Patty

[nowheretorun]

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they have to be so pure in their intentioins. and the world really doesn't allow that.

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would it help if one were able rise above his or her earthly concerns? often i hear the advice to 'step out' of the problem and see the whole picture... i often hear of thinking about the impossible... one saying goes :

'Some men dream the impossible and ask why? i dream the impossible and ask 'why not'?'

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in other words, we never want to say something is impossible... remember 'never say never'?

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seeker said:

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they have to be so pure in their intentioins. and the world really doesn't allow that.

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would it help if one were able rise above his or her earthly concerns? often i hear the advice to 'step out' of the problem and see the whole picture... i often hear of thinking about the impossible... one saying goes :

'Some men dream the impossible and ask why? i dream the impossible and ask 'why not'?'

(author unknown)

in other words, we never want to say something is impossible... remember 'never say never'?

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This might come across as a big ramble..

I don't think its IMPOSSIBLE to go into something with pure intentions, however i do feel that its VERY easy for intentions to be influenced by what we THINK we need or want.

I find a good way to come from a place of compassion is to stop thinking in terms of "I" and "them" and instead envision that really we are all one, and that there really is no seperation between "us" and "them" - basically we see the world as dualistic, we are always relating to things in terms of "I" and "that"(whatever "that" is be it an object, person, anything in reality). I try to meditate on non dualism and I truly beilve that we are all connected, and so i make the choice whenever I can to treat everyone as I would wish to be treated. And I also try and remember that there are two types of pure compassion - One i will call "idiot compassion" and one I will call "pure compassion"

Idiot compassion is basically enabling - like if an addict on the street asked you for money and you knew they would spend it on drugs - you may feel compassion for them and give them the money. Pure compassion would sit and talk to them, perhaps buy them some food, and offer to help them out of the situation they are in.

did any of that relate or make sense or did I just go off on a tangent?

[seeker1950]

It does make sense, Rainbowzz, and thank you for giving such careful thought to this topic.
I must admit, I've been in the "idiot compassion" place more times than I care to recount. I had to learn to discern, which is a kind of spiritual gift in itself.

As for clairvoyants, I think Edgar Cayce was a true psychic and clairvoyant. I've done a lot of reading about him, and it is said when he did a reading, it drained him. Do any of you here know of him, his life?

As for me, I've often felt drawn to the life of a nun, cloistered away in a small, sparely furnished room where I could pray and meditate. If there is such a thing as reincarnation, I think maybe I WAS a nun or a monk in a past life. As I grow older, I am less and less attached to material things, seeing that it is just "dust."

Love
Patty

Patty

I am longing to meditate, and to connect with the"realm" around me. I also long to feel that connection again with my intuition, my instincts, my sense of connection with the world. BUT...

There are emotions still connected with my late sister, my childhood, and my choices along my life's paths. I feel there is a spirit guiding me. I have felt it over the past four years. I feel that there are powers of intuition I have but I just can't connect.

It is like I am circling the target or bulls-eye but not hitting it. I long for that sense of self. I have given and changed and adapted too much to convenience others or to become what I think they wanted me to be or become. I lost my self identity along the way. I have to come back to what I was once or at least understand what I was before all of the paths and turns. I feel that there is a purpose for the paths taken, but, I am losing me along the paths.

Wehther this relates to clairvoyant abilities or like I said before, a cocktail of various help systems, I don't know.