Roll Call 34

If you're mentally ill it already is a police state....you can be held against your will more or less indefinitely in a completely legal manner.....forcibly drugged...you have no gun rights....it's actually considerably more restrictive than if you had simply committed a crime....

Police are trained to kill anyone who resists even if they are unarmed and easily subdued. People with MI are routinely killed by the police.

As someone who was formerly of the privileged class I can tell you things look a whole lot different from this side of the tracks. It's not that hard to slip from one to the other let me tell you....I can still pass on most days but what about the days I can't....when someone is out to shoot me because I think differently that is a police state...we are already here....how long until it's the rest of you?

too late. i got guns

I don't even think I can get a taser over here.....not for two more years...not that I want one, just saying....

They are going to give you the injection anyway. And I don't think being cooperative "tells them that they can do whatever they want." You don't have a choice... except doing it easy or doing it hard.

thats weird. i just bought a taser as a local flea market from this mexican woman. she just gave it to me for 12 dollars.

SometimesP, I feel so much compassion for the experiences you've had.. and for the experiences of all of those with MI. I just want to cry.

MI has always been a world of its own. It hasn't been that long ago that MI were held in institutions, lobotomized, and more. I think there have been great strides made in attempting to treat those with MI more effectively and with less restrictions. That said, there is a large population of the homeless that are homeless because they are mentally ill. For many, they are the ones choosing to be on the streets because their delusions/hallucinations/beliefs make them feel safer in some way on the streets. And as far as being forcibly medicated, I think that happens primarily when someone proves to have become a danger to themselves or others. I don't think that falls into a "police state" type situation. It has got to feel awful to have things like that controlled for someone who is an adult, especially if their delusions cause them to fear the government, doctors, or even innocent people on the street. But that's where the threat of danger to others comes in. There are not easy answers to dealing with those with serious MI. Especially if they don't have a good support system in place. I think a lot of effort is being made to make progress in effectively treating and caring for them. That's what a good society does. It doesn't eliminate the weakest members... it cares for them. But MI in itself can leave those being cared for not recognizing that they are being cared for, not threatened.

I just don't see gun ownership helping those with MI function better. And if those with MI have access to guns, then we see more Gabby Giffords, more Elliot Rodgers tragedies. Please know that I am fully aware that the vast majority of those with MI are not, and never become, violent.

Likely black market they are registered....they spray out some confetti with your ID number so they can trace you if you use it....although that may just be Illinois....people could not even have guns outside their home unless disassembled until the supremes said it was unconstitutional a few years back and yet Chicago has a rep for gun violence despite having had some of the strictest gun laws. I just don't think weapon restriction would work in the states at all.

Yep - hard to go backwards. But I wish it could.

i never heard of a tazer like that. this one you just hold up to someone and press the button

And I wonder what it would be like if our dear British friend who is struggling right now had parents with guns in the house.

And for you, Newtus, I worry what could happen if your delusions or paranoia really escalated and you were so afraid that you were not able to stop yourself from getting the guns available and doing something awful to yourself or others. So you end up with yourself dead or severely injured.. maybe in the hospital and/or in a devastating condition relying on others to change your diaper, or if you harm others you could be in a powerfully restrictive environment in prison. So I'm not crazy about the idea of you having such easy access to guns. And the self-control you may feel at the moment can evaporate in a moment. I think about the times you've talked about going outside naked, etc. That shows a real vulnerability to losing control and having trouble with good judgment. I don't think guns are safe for you.

Last time I checked not one of those people had gun restrictions on them....thus I see the laws expanding to incorporate more people....most of the gun deaths are suicides so we're talking depression and that's like half of America...

Now I have gun restrictions.....why.....voluntary inpatient treatment. I was sick enough to know I needed help so I can't own a gun for 5 years. Now I don't have any reason to and short of war I don't see the point so I'm not worried about it they freak me out tbh. It's not that I want a gun, it's that my rights are restricted because I asked for help with my MI I mean wtf....how is that not a police state?

If we actually helped the homeless by giving them what they wanted instead of what we want for them I don't think we would have a homeless problem. Of course what we have now is people ending up in jail repeatedly for having simply stood in a business too long....loitering....peeing on the streets because there are no public toilets etc.

Most of the forcibly medicated go through the criminal system and they may or may not respond to meds, a third of people don't.....why medicate them if the meds don't work....to me that is a violation like no other....here let me control your mind, not in a way where you'll return to what you were but instead in a way where you'll simply be so sedated you don't want to move....I too would choose the streets....

Now let's partition off Hawaii and send the MI away on vacation someplace nice instead! people would be faking to get on the plane....carrot vs stick....we only use the stick....why on earth are we using a stick on people who are sick in the first place. They can't even recognize the stick....that's how so many end up shot at the hands of the police, the danger is unclear......but carrot, who doesn't like carrots? I like carrots

Firstly, I'm Irish not English. Born and bred in the Republic.

Secondly, the Queen does nothing and the UK is completely democratic. The Queen just costs the British taxpayer money and I don't agree with that.

Knife crime in the UK is very restricted to certain parts of major cities (like Glasgow in Scotland) and the stuff you hear about it is generally part of a fear campaign. There isn't an epidemic of knife crime in the UK or Ireland. Though I would generally fair much better if someone attacked me with a pocket knife than a military grade assault rifle (why are they legal?).

You can also get a hunting license and have a rifle, shotgun or handgun (if you're in a gun club for the handgun). It's just difficult to get if you're not genuinely hunting or using it for sport. Protection is not a valid claim for getting a gun.

And yes, Northern Ireland is part of the UK. After a war a man named Mick Collins went to England to negotiate a treaty for a free Ireland, unfortunately to avoid a full on war which would have resulted in major casualties he could only negotiate for 26 counties to be part of the Republic. He was the fall guy as everyone knew this was all we could get and he was assassinated by his own.

But now, sure Scotland is voting for their independence soon and there's no need for guns?

I just don't agree that fear and the 'what if?' argument is enough to justify the mass murder that is taking place in the US today. I would trust highly trained military personnel over rebels such as a rogue militia any day. I wouldn't trust either but if I had to chose.

These are the similar but actual taser brand.....they won't activate it without a background check just like a gun but there is no official license....

I think they shoot probes so you can go from a few feet away the probes release the confetti...I don't think they are reusable, you have to buy new cartridges to refill them.

theres two types of tazers. theres one that shoots probes and the other that you hold up to someone

Has anyone seen this movie? Bronson.

The scenes of him in the mental institution are really horrifying. Drugged up to the nines. Love this scene though

i like peeing outside

No I knew you were Irish but I thought Ireland was still part of the UK thus the confusion....saw something on reddit about people wanting to be free......

Sure there is no need for guns 200 years later if you want to wait that long but we didn't.

There is no mass murder in the US....I'm pretty sure that is overblown outside the US.....there are 16,000 murders a year but 40,000 suicides and 35,000 deaths in car accidents....not any of these get anywhere near the 600,000 heart attacks....

Anyway clearly we should ban the car before guns.....

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr63/nvsr63_03.pdf

Stats backing the preceding......anyone want to start the next roll call?

i texted T and asked him if he hated me. he said of course not!

well i guess i believe him. im just struggling with feeling like no one likes me and im a big loser. i spent all day with my friend yesterday and then when i got home i was overwhelmed with thinking that she hated me and i was being played a fool this whole time.

i dont know if this is paranoia or not. i dont know if my thoughts are based in reality.

i know not everyone in this world is going to like me. but right now it feels like there is no one who does like me.

this has been building for a while now. i dont know how to stop obsessing about it

I like you....I'm thinking delusion? And yes of course your T doesn't hate you he's like the best T ever....

INSULT!!! :P

Ah sure we'll just agree to disagree! In fact, I love guns, think they're really fun messing around with them (in a controlled manner, like for sport hunting), grew up with a gun in the house, always respected that. Maybe there should be an IQ test to have one :P

Anyway, new roll call?

Sorry ignorance on my part.....my roll calls are cursed you start one OK? Yes agree to disagree....

Haha now I'm convinced if I start one it'll be cursed. Not starting one now!

T is best T in the universe. im glad he doesnt hate me

My last one got deleted is why I think that but eventually a mod will start one if we don't....