Punishable by DEATH - ?

oh ok. my boyfriend hates the death penalty also. he says "yeah.. the death penalty is a hell of a deterant.... for the person youre killing. they wont ever commit that crime ever again." wouldnt keeping them in jail for life do the same thing?

he also said that people who do things like that to little kids or even grown adults, they are beaten just about everyday. so chances are if they got life in jail they probably wouldnt even live that long because even murderers find sexual abusers sickening. plus i think once youre in that position you lose the will to live anyways.

maybe ive been reading too many self help books lol

I am against the death penalty for other reasons than I am going say here....
but death would be too easy for our abusers. There is that moment as their life is ending, then its over. No suffering the way we have. They had their fun and now its over. But we continue to suffer.
Death....no way!

IMO - I believe if the Death Penalty was implemented for sexually abusing a CHILD then the rate of children being raped would diminish over time...... at least this is what I think - for the are countries over seas that put criminals to death with in one week of them being found guilty and due to this quick justice with in their legal system crime is lower.

For think of it - Would you honestly risk DEATH for sexual PLEASURE or mere POWER?

I believe children keep on being sexually abused and tortured for no one is doing enough to stop it - there is no fear of sexual crime.

And - I am sorry if this sounds COLD..... but I would not feel guilty about my many abusers being put to death just because I spoke up - for they did the crime not me.... and yet strangely enough I am the one that is suffering and probably will suffer until the day I die.

Rhap, we think the maniacs who abused us WOULD risk death for sexual pleasure & power

Also, castrated or chemically castrated abusers are known to use knives instead, or objects. So maybe the death penalty is best, to protect the community.

We should put them down, like mad dogs.

</font><blockquote><div id="quote"><font class="small">Quote:</font>
salukigirl said:
it actually costs more to put someone to death than to keep them alive (if you don't believe me talk to my boyfriend with a degree in criminology).

who are we to say that killing someone is okay?

</div></font></blockquote><font class="post">


I just had a few thoughts that I wanted to share here.....

First off...... I personally believe that one cannot put a price on the life that is taken from a child (or adult) that survives sexual abuse, therefore, cost is NOT the subject here.

Now as far as the KILLING goes......... Yes, it is wrong to just kill someone, but is not wrong to put a criminal to death for his retched crime.

IMO - God & Governement gives up the Right to put a Criminal to Death, if their Crime Warants such an act.

... in the old days some were beaten to death for the sexual disrespect of taking a females virginity (that which was saved for her husband).

</font><blockquote><div id="quote"><font class="small">Quote:</font>
Zorah said:
Also, castrated or chemically castrated abusers are known to use knives instead, or objects.
So maybe the death penalty is best, to protect the community.

</div></font></blockquote><font class="post">

I couldn't agree more........ for I was truly blessed by God above to have given birth to the three precious children I had after they (my sexual abusers) got thru with me as a child.

Eh, I can see a lot more of the cases where it was once disapearing for good if faced with death as an outcome. So yes, there might be a good outcome there. But it's a hard question between whether there would be less cases or whether people would just work harder to cover it up.

And also, in the old days, teenagers were stoned to death for being disrespectful. [sorry, I have a thing about calling up "old days" materials]

I agree that the law could use some serious work, though.

</font><blockquote><div id="quote"><font class="small">Quote:</font>
Itadakimasu said:
[sorry, I have a thing about calling up "old days" materials]

</div></font></blockquote><font class="post">

I understand your POV here....... and to be honest I really wanted to say "in the Bible" and not "In the old days" - for it was not the old days I was thinking about, nor I did not desire to make my thought a religious one.

idk. having never been abused myself i dont know how youall truly feel. but i can try and imagine.
judging by the little knowledge i have of sexual abusers, if they are recognised, they will be shunned, and to be shunned and left and attacked is embarrasing and humiliating. i dont think they should be put to the death. purely because i dont believe in the death penalty.
but like i think it was jinny who suggested it, if, once a sexual abuser is recognised, we make them visible to their community. they may see the humiliation that they deserve for the torment they caused. noone will stand up for someone who has hurt anyone in that way. and dont forget its not just children who are sexually abused. putting a big fat P brand mark on their head would work. if this is noticed as the mark of a sexual abuser, idk bout u, but theyd probably be stoned and attacked around here. you know how u would react if mothers hid you from their childrens view, avoided eye contact. u were never talked to never accepted again. this is in my opinion a fate worse than death. i would honestly rather die than to lose the trust of everyone who so much as looks at me. what do any of u guys think?
this is coming from a person who has been shunned quite a bit in the past. and yes not nearly as much assome. butthere is always someone worse off than you, so im just happy that im me and not another.

although there are some people who have been described to me, who i have decided i want to take a baseball bat wrapped in barbed wire to. and probably will. if u see me in the news later in life, dont worry. ill b fine. hah

the next problem we have to solve, is that of helping the victims speak up. as that is what needs to be addressed. i agree with jinnyann also, as yes the accused gets the easy life. but i decided long ago that law was corrupt,and what matteres was how much money u have. not wether u are in the right. i refuse to stand up for someone who has wronged. especially in such a sick way.
ive been rambling for a while now
if those who use somethingto gain power are also humiliated by it, it is useless. andthe thing they wanted is out of reach.

and one last thought. are we the crazy ones? i mean. theyre the ones who are screwed up enough to use such a disgusting tool to gain power. what the hell happened to people like hitler? at least he became a politician and got people to like him first.
nowadays all u have to do is sexually abuse a child

pathetic

rant over

sorry if i said anything contradictory to what is right.

dot

in ohio (i dont know if they do this anywhere else), people who have had (i think) 2 DUIs, have to have a license plate that is yellow instead of the normal white ones. So everyone knows "you drink and drive". theyre called "party plates" and it really does embarass people. especially because people driving by them always want to look inside and see what the dumbass who drinks a lot looks like.

so i think there is something to your comment about public humiliation or making them be known. they do have to register as sex offenders but only if they do certain crimes or do them enough times. you can go to your county website and look up all the sex offenders in your area but how many people either know you can do that or know your county's website? they do send out postcards letting you know when a sex offender has moved into your neighborhood, but i know most people throw post cards away because they either are from the post office or have the "have you seen me" on the back.

maybe they, whoever they is, should think up a way to make the knowledge of these websites more known in the country so that people could look them up. but honestly, i think when youre in the act of the crime, you dont consider the consequences. thats whats wrong with these people.

ive been arrested and i never once though "this could land me in jail." i still drank underage and even drove home. i still smoked underage. i drove a car without my license. and they make crimes like this in commercials! they advertise these crimes letting you know how much trouble you can get in. so i think the only people who would benefit from deterrent of jail are people who still have a conscience. and people who really sexually abuse their kids like that... i dont think they do. people who would be effected by those commercials would probably talk themselves out of doing it anyways and attribute their feelings to being sick and then possibly blame themselves like crazy. there is something mentally wrong with people who do these things and thats why i dont think they should be killed. its the same reason 10 year old who kill get off of death. their brain is screwed up to some extent and they obviously cant use reasoning skills. so i think that rehab or sever psychiatric help would be better suited. maybe even housing them in a mental institution.

the problem isnt that they dont get killed, the law does absolutely nothing to them. any kind of punishment or help at all would be an improvement. i know in montgomery county in ohio, you practically have to kill somebody to be put in jail. there was nothing i could do about my ex hitting me and threatening to kill me. he just walks around the same everyday. so i think any kind of action would be improvement over what there is now.

So far this discussion has been handled well. However, our guidelines for this community limit discussion of political topics, and the death penalty gets pretty political. Some people are going to want to see harsher punishment for abusers, others object to the death penalty, and still more believe that offenders can be rehabilitated. After some administrative discussion about this thread, I will be locking it now in order to preserve the guidelines. Thanks for understanding.

Rapunzel