Let's try to bring down gasoline prices!!

"just say no"

Thats how to start a revolution

After all it took a bunch of guys in powdered wigs to say "No " to a monarchy that created this wonderful country.

It took a few brave African Americans to say "No", when told to go the back of the bus.

It took a civilization to say "No" to collectivism and Facism to bring down two great evil empires ( The USSR and Nazi Germany)

Revolutions start with "NO" but remember they are sustained by things you say "Yes" to as well

Yes to Freedom and self governence, yes to being treated as equals, politically and socially.

This revolution will start with us saying "No" to oversize cars and unnecessary driving, but saying yes to telecomuting, hydrogen, solar, wind, and biomass

TJ

Tim

A peaceful no is all we need , Sometimes a very gentle . peaceful no
Ppl have the cars they have now. If they can not afford the gas, They prolly can not afford a new car right now.........

We just all need to very peacefully say no..........
((( because we all matter)))))))))))))))))))
If we all say no......
All together, we the ppl............................then the price would go down
supply and demand........biz one o one

People look at me funny when I walk for transportation. They stop and offer me a ride. But I've always done that if where I'm going is close enough. I love getting a chance to walk. Someone stole my bicycle last summer though, and I haven't gotten a new one. I was thinking about it, but my water heater leaked all over my basement, and my washing machine is leaking all over the kitchen.

I'm hoping to find a job that doesn't involve driving all over 3 counties soon. I need to look more actively for that. I've got to get through this month though. A lot of us could do something to use less fuel.

walking is good for you, I bet you are in much healthier shape than a lot of people.

If this entire country started walking to work, the entire WORLD could be a better place, for SOO many reasons.

I agree with Tim completely on this. Didn't read all the posts.

To pay for ^ I am selling my car, my husband's car, our old piece-o-%#@&#! car ($300 plus $100 for the car seat and stroller!) and he is going to BEG Chrysler to get him out of his lease on a lemon truck that has been a thorn in our side and a source of marital problems for nearly 36 months (in August...)

We will take the bus to work. I, personally (with help) audited our local transportation department, and they are doing excellent financially!! I just want to add to that, hell it's job security if I don't get fired over all this

I need to lose about 100 pounds, give or take, depending on how many pounds I gained today eating and eating everything that contains sugar....yes, I am VERY much hypomanic, possibly manic, possibly mixed, but VERY impulsive.

I am going to this place anyway, I may as well do it all in one shot. I'm going to switch to...get this: Organic, local only, VEGAN, but with FISH (for the fish oil) and occasional chicken just for the heck of it.

No red meat, no dairy products (they give me gas anyways...) and no pork.

Maybe also Kosher, because of all my "God" stuff lately, what the hell throw it in too.

My sister just so happens to be a registered dietician at a hospital. I am going to see if she, personally, can oversee my diet. If not, cool, I'll take what they give me. This is going to be like the Biggest Loser, or Body for Life, for me. I want to come back at 121 pounds and healthy and happy and I want my husband to get to the point where he is ready to "%#@&#! or get off the pot" and propose to me like I wanted him to do 7 years ago but he never did.

If that doesn't happen, I realize that is okay, and I just want the support in place to handle it all.

My backup plan is to move in with my aging parents and help with the care of my father, who is in his 80's and has Alzheimer's.

Unfortunatly the US cannot do this alone, even if we cut our demand here, it will be more than increased in China and India, its a global problem, that will require new tech, new ideas and a radical redesign of our way of life.

We cannot maintain the status quo or return to the past, we must push forward into the future. There are of course going to be a few luddites and naysayers. They simply need to be pushed aside.

The future belongs to the bold, the innovative, not the tepid or the frightened. The US is still the most effective civilization in history and foibles and all, the best equipped to lead the human race to a new age of enlightenment. There is no one else that can

Wow Tim...thank you again.

BRING THEM DOWN YAH!

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Unfortunatly the US cannot do this alone, even if we cut our demand here, it will be more than increased in China and India, its a global problem, that will require new tech, new ideas and a radical redesign of our way of life.

We cannot maintain the status quo or return to the past, we must push forward into the future. There are of course going to be a few luddites and naysayers. They simply need to be pushed aside.

The future belongs to the bold, the innovative, not the tepid or the frightened. The US is still the most effective civilization in history and foibles and all, the best equipped to lead the human race to a new age of enlightenment. There is no one else that can

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i agree Tim, it'll take a lot of organization and togetherness.. we're going to suffer either way.. lets object peacefully....

chop wood, carry water.... sounds like camping....

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Unfortunatly the US cannot do this alone, even if we cut our demand here, it will be more than increased in China and India, its a global problem, that will require new tech, new ideas and a radical redesign of our way of life.

We cannot maintain the status quo or return to the past, we must push forward into the future. There are of course going to be a few luddites and naysayers. They simply need to be pushed aside.

The future belongs to the bold, the innovative, not the tepid or the frightened. The US is still the most effective civilization in history and foibles and all, the best equipped to lead the human race to a new age of enlightenment. There is no one else that can

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I do think we the ppl here can make a difference.
yes every country is useing lots of oil
But if we ((the ppl)) focas on here ....what we use
I am sure it would make a great impact.

sometimes the most little things in life make a difference....
just the sheeps thoughts
muffy

It isn't just the US dollar, because the cost of petrol is going up in countries whose dollar is doing much better (compared to the US dollar). People in the US pay significantly less for petrol than people in the UK or in Australasia so in one respect I do find it hard to have sympathy for people in the US complaining about their petrol prices. But on the other hand I do sympathize that change is hard and the cost of petrol is resulting in people having to make changes (in their spending habits) not just in the US - but across the world.

It is hard... One the one hand we are getting this message that the earth would be a LOT better off if we decreased our reliance on petrol. So... We know we should... What is the best way to get people to decrease their reliance? Increase the prices. In many countries items such as tobacco, alchohol, etc have higher taxation. Partly to raise revenue towards prevention and treatment programs. Partly to help foot the costs of the associated health bills. Partly... To help people adopt a lifestyle which doesn't involve significant use of tobacco products. The Australian government has been talking about instituting a $1 charge per plastic bag. Not because the government needs the money, but because we know that it will be a hell of a lot better for the environment if people switch to reusable green bags. Sometimes what people really seem to need to make the positive change is for their older (unhelpful) habits to be taxed or have higher costs associated. If there was a fast food tax then sure people would complain about the cost of food... But you would also see an increase in comparatively healthy eating habits...

What would be most helpful (in my mind) would be to put significant funds into a good system of public transport. If public transport is safe and convenient then really... Tax the hell out of oil, I say...

We will know the situation is dire (getting near the end of the worlds supply) when the USA starts drilling the oil on US land.

i feel sorry for those who are not able to afford oil prices in their current income brackets.. everything rises except pay for some workers...

imo, the situation is beyond dire... but it is really good to see people discussing this intelligently amongst themselves...

imo if you tax the heck out of oil ppl will freeze

already ppl can not afford to heat thier homes

((nowheretorun))) you are right the situation is beyond dire

Some ppl can not get to work.......because they can not afford the gas

Some ppl can not heat thier homes,....can not afford oil

where do we draw the line?

I think now is the time ............

we the ppl have to stand up for everyone........

we can do our share..................

just the sheeps thoughts
muffy

Exxon Mobile to "get out of" retail gas business? Yeah? Suppose the country-wide boycott (been going on for months) caused them to pretend to not be in business?

Exxon getting out of retail gas business

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

HOUSTON -- Exxon Mobil is getting out of the retail gasoline business, a market where profits have gotten tougher because of high crude oil prices.

The world's largest publicly traded oil company said Thursday it will sell its 820-company owned stations and another 1,400 outlets operated by dealers to gasoline distributors across the U.S.

The Irving-based company didn't disclose financial details but said the transition will take place over a "multiyear period."

However, motorists will continue to see Exxon and Mobil stations throughout the country. About 75 percent of its roughly 12,000 stations in the U.S. are owned by branded distributors. Exxon Mobil will still sell gasoline to those stations and get paid for the use of its name.

I have decided not to drive or buy any gas july 4 5 6
It starts with one person.................................

I am proud of you! Great courage you have!

thank you Tim
I decided action was better than words

so thats what i am doing the weekend of the 4th

"I have decided not to drive or buy any gas july 4 5 6
It starts with one person................................. "

may other ppl join me......

i'll join you muffy, holidays are good days to stay off the roads anyway imo, around here, your morning commute can turn really unfortunate with little or no warning... some drivers scare the heck outta me! probably i'll find some nice camp spot away from the insanity and just relax... and save money

this may seem stupid, but what are ppl doing with allllll the oil and gas we have right here in the USA, Bush owns oil wells in TX, PA has a lot of gas and oil wells, what the heck are we going over seas for this???

The US policy on oil is to use up the other world sources before using our own, however, it is now too costly to keep this policy.

It should be noted that the party opposite of the President's has controlled all of congress while the price of fuel has doubled so there is a proper place to put blame if you want to blame someone.

We need to drill here, drill now, to save money. This is a short term solution while we convert over to other means of energy. You can't expect a country that has been dependent on foreign sources to change resources overnight. This problem started in 1973 and has been allowed to continue for a long time under both parties.

The answer is not biking, walking or, taking mass transportation, the American people won't live that way and I won't live that way. Conservation is good and necessary and I do what I can but, to ask me to give up a lifestyle I strive all my life for is to ask way too much. Everyone can and should do what their conscience dictates, but to try and force or berate someone into doing what you think is necessary is totally wrong. We live in a free country, at least for now, and people have the right to live it without harassment from those that think differently.

I will do what I can, but I will not give up the things I worked hard for and saved for. Ultimately we are responsible for our own actions. If we live our lives in debt and trying to keep up with those that have it all, who's fault is that? The secret to financial success is, spend less than you earn and save for another day.

I know I get preachy on this subject, but if you know my background then you know that financial security is very important to me. I was reading a report in a financial magazine and it said that some 56% of baby boomers are not saving enough for retirement and that only 14% will be able to retire with enough assets ($$$) to sustain them till age 90. The "I gotta have it all now at any cost" is coming back to haunt some 70 million people headed for retirement. I recommend the book Start Late, Finish Rich for those that are interested in how to stop the financial bleeding and get their lives on track to living with controllable debt, if not being totally debt free. Also a recommendation is The Total Money Makeover.
My passion in life is living spiritually and living debt free. Anyone that wants to contact me is free to PM me anytime on these subjects.

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i just have this gut feeling ... times are going to change, and they are not going to be to our liking at first.. for me, i try to remember there are future generations... its not all about me, right now........

budgeting and interim adjustments will definitely help, and they are something we can do to help ourselves... time is precious....

ive already reduced my driving about 90%.. since i take care of mom, i dont go as many places and i combine trips whenever possible... roadways are accidents waiting to happen around here.. dont want to lose my comfort or security because someone chose to be careless on my way to get groceries....

we all matter and we all make a difference....

exercising our power in the economic markets is what we must do to prevent a complete disintegration of world morality and health (just imo)

Yes, I've become more aware of my driving habits... though I gotta tell ya...they were good to begin with!

Keeping my tires aired up and never letting the tank go below half easily adds 3 miles to the gallon. I charge my gas onto my AAA credit card, which gives me 5% back on gasoline purchases. I have always plotted my errand day to be efficient time wise, and driving wise. I don't gun it to begin from a stop. I try to drive at least 5 mph under the speed limit, or down to 55 mph on expressways if the lanes and traffic allows. I quit driving in the winter with the top down AND the heat on high I buy regular gasoline for my v6 (there are only about 7 cars total that REQUIRE premium gas. Check it out, odds are your car will run just fine on regular.)

I buy in the morning or late evening when it's the coolest part of the day (get more gasoline density that way.)

BUT HOW ABOUT EXXON-MOBILE trying to get the public to think THEY aren't behind their gas stations any more? Yeah, the stations will still carry their name...which means the regulation stays in effect. Continue to boycott exxon-mobile folks!

Open the Alaska pipeline.

If the caribou get upset. . .too freaking bad.

The caribou will just have to deal.

> The answer is not biking, walking or, taking mass transportation, the American people won't live that way and I won't live that way. Conservation is good and necessary and I do what I can but, to ask me to give up a lifestyle I strive all my life for is to ask way too much. Everyone can and should do what their conscience dictates, but to try and force or berate someone into doing what you think is necessary is totally wrong. We live in a free country, at least for now, and people have the right to live it without harassment from those that think differently.

THat attitude epitomizes most of what people find disgusting, revolting, comdemnable and contemptable about the 'american dream' and about the 'american way of life'. I want to do what i want to do and %#@&#! everyone else. I want to do what I want to do and if other people suffer as a consequence who gives a %#@&#!? Who cares about global warming, who cares about the people dying while we get involved with wars over the pretense of this and that but really - its about preserving the american dream. And people wonder what the political statement in bombing the twin towers was supposed to be... Are you for real?????

there aren't enough resources to go around so that everyone can live a lifestyle that fits with the 'american dream'. there aren't. so... what makes you so damn special just because you were born there? and that isn't even beginning on the people in the US who are living on the streets in their cardbord boxes so that you can have your fancy car and so that people can buy those magazines in order to salivate over and aspire to being just as anorexic as the majority of models in CA with a million dollar mansion and a private jet. and what makes you so damn arrogant that you will preserve your way of life and aspire to that way of life while other people starve to death and die of preventable diseases and lose their home as the seas encroach...

Do you really believe that those different ways of life are simply unconnected? How... Ignorant.

there are alternatives to oil. have been for a while now. but people are too worried abotu their masculinity to drive a smaller car with a little less grunt.

i want to throw up.

Let's not take this political (as in mentioning global warming too?)

There are plenty of resources for the whole world to exist as long as God wants it to.

This particular thread is about boycotting Exxon-Mobile so they will have to lower their prices, and thus allow all other major stations to lower their prices. Now THOSE things ARE connected