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Old Jul 09, 2013, 08:58 PM
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Alright, couch peeps....time for me to wind down and try to get some sleep. I have to be up early tomorrow for an assignment....Goodnight!
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Old Jul 09, 2013, 09:34 PM
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Feeling mixed emotions about seeing T tomorrow.. Didn't have a session last week b/c he was gone. Well, in that week.. H and I had a major falling out and I really want to talk about my response to that, we had a heavy mc session in response to the falling out yesterday and I want to talk about that. And- we are supposed to finalize details as far as going to the site of the rape. Well, add in there.. I visited T's instagram website (totally public) found it through a friend's link really, and I accidently liked a picture he posted. Unliked it really fast and freaked and deleted my account. I don't know if he gets notifications of people like his pictures, I know many people don't have those notifications on, or if I liked and unliked it so fast that he didn't get one. Either way- I am freaking the heck out. There are so many important things to talk about and I am scared the he found out that I was on his page. And if he will be mad or upset/ and how embarrassed I will be if he brings it up!
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Old Jul 09, 2013, 09:36 PM
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I always liked the chickens at the fair. There are so many varieties and some look quite interesting indeed.
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Old Jul 10, 2013, 12:49 AM
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Just acknowledging that my responses do reflect my general approach to life and that it does involve nihilism. Reading posts on psych central, I find a lot of hurt, misunderstanding, feeling unappreciated and so forth comes, in my opinion, from not focussing on oneself but rather from trying to take on responsibility that is not the actor's to do, and expecting others to be appreciative, or notice, or change in some fashion or to have some effect on others that, in my opinion, is unrealistic and destined to lead to hurt and messiness.
This is just my belief and certainly not everyone agrees with me. For all I know, no one else agrees with me. And I am not talking about any specific here. Just a general sense.
Meanwhile, I was very much hurt by something you posted yesterday on a completely different thread - a post that appeared to be in this spirit. I am not saying this to attack you or tell you that you ought not to have posted that (especially as the original poster was not hurt), and I am not going to go into specifics because it really is not important. Also, I have had a night's sleep since then and am generally in a reasonably good state of mind, so I am no longer upset. I am just trying to discuss what you are saying in context.

We should not take on any responsibility for anybody but ourselves when we post to PC. But there is a hell of a lot of hurt being caused on this forum by people who post without considering what the effect of their words might be. Of course we can't know how our posts will affect anybody else. And of course it is also possible to overthink this and worry too much about hurting others. (I throw away a lot of what I write without actually posting it because I am afraid of offending - and I still found out the hard way that I was on somebody's ignore list.) But you are making it sound as if it is always the addressee's "fault" or problem (and I use "addressee" in a wide sense, to mean everybody who reads a post) if they are hurt by something written, and by extention that it is a choice, based on a sense on personal responsibility, whether to get hurt or not, and I do not believe that is true at all. I know you did not use the word "fault" and that you did not make any value judgment - I am just too tired and in a bit of a hurry right now so I can't think of the right word in English.

Sorry for rambling on. I hope this makes sense. I am off to have breakfast and the go to the book binding workshop to finish three books I have started making over the last two days.
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Old Jul 10, 2013, 01:37 AM
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And on a totally different topic, I read these blog posts and thought they were interesting (though I don't like his writing style - too much "guess what?" and stuff like that). In fact, they made me think of stopdog, because you sometimes express frustration with not knowing what the talk therapy process is good for. There is an actual physiological process, with actual physiological change happening:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-talking-cure
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Old Jul 10, 2013, 01:51 AM
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Mastadon- I don't know what reply you are referring to so I cannot address it or explain it further. Did I write something in response to your posting or to some other poster? If you would like a more full explanation from me, pm me. I confess I cannot fully grasp how what one person writes to another person can then hurt a third person who just reads it. I can understand how the third person could be angry at the idea, or amused, or bewildered or think the responder an *** and such. And I am in no way saying you were not hurt, just that it is not fully understandable to me if it was to something I wrote responding to someone else. Not that it needs to be understandable by me either.
But I am not talking about posting on pc and getting upset by replies on here (although I suppose I would take the same general approach except I do find I think some replies on here are mean and bullying - just perhaps not the same ones as you do. And whether it matters or not what I find is up for grabs). But here I was referring to what people were doing in their real lives and not on this forum. I am not saying it is always the addressees fault or they choose to get hurt, but I really do think a lot of hurt could be avoided if people took care of themselves more and other people less. Others do not always want the "care" or tough love or whatever thrust upon them and often it seems to me, the person doing all of the alleged caring is left feeling hurt or resentful or upset at ingratitude etc. because the recipient of the caring does not then act in a certain way, or others just in general do not act how one might want in response to any number of things designed by the actor to be generous, giving, helpful etc. and instead of trying to change the ungrateful, I think it is is simpler, more direct, and more likely to succeed if one stops focussing on them and starts focussing more on oneself. But if someone has a different experience or belief, then okay with me.
I have not been talking about any particular person or post. I agree with Wikid that I am a moral nihilist. And I don't fully understand why this position is upsetting to others.
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Old Jul 10, 2013, 01:56 AM
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And on a totally different topic, I read these blog posts and thought they were interesting (though I don't like his writing style - too much "guess what?" and stuff like that). In fact, they made me think of stopdog, because you sometimes express frustration with not knowing what the talk therapy process is good for. There is an actual physiological process, with actual physiological change happening:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-talking-cure
Thanks. Today the woman told me some people are not helped by talking.
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Old Jul 10, 2013, 01:58 AM
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Old Jul 10, 2013, 04:15 AM
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Changing the subject entirely...

The game's afoot Watson!
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Old Jul 10, 2013, 06:26 AM
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Ugh.. had a night filled with panic attacks, got about 2 1/2 hrs of sleep last night.
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Old Jul 10, 2013, 07:09 AM
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(((Healed))) I did the same thing. I was also having difficulty regulating temperature. I was freezing, then sweating, then freezing again all night long. The ac was on, and a sheet wasn't warm enough, but the blanket was too warm, so it was a constant "blanket on/blanket off" night.

Cloudy, damp and muggy here on the Cape this morning. I have hours scheduled at the wildlife clinic today, I have the kid this afternoon too. Now that I have a tie out for Sadie, I need to get outside and weed the flower beds...grrrr. I hate weeding.

My daughter is in a Behcet's Disease flare this morning...she trudged off to school, but she is hurting and inflamed. I hope she calls her doc before the flare gets out of hand.
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Old Jul 10, 2013, 07:17 AM
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morning wiki. i hope your daughter feels better soon and calls the doc .dont let her get away with not calling .
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Old Jul 10, 2013, 08:10 AM
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Does anyone on here make organic bar soaps or shampoo bars? I am giving it a whirl and would love advice. I have made body wash and liquid shampoos, but this will be my first time working with lye.
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Old Jul 10, 2013, 09:05 AM
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I have made lye soap but the other ingredient was lard. I have not tried to make lye vegan soap. I have also made glycerin bar soap.
Now that I look, this does make it sound interesting to try:
http://frugallysustainable.com/2012/...egan-bar-soap/
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Old Jul 10, 2013, 09:30 AM
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this is my first time posting here but i read some posts and it seems a place to be able to write...idk. Hi i guess
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Old Jul 10, 2013, 09:33 AM
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tomorrow and tomorrow creeps in its petty pace from day to day untill the last syllable of recorded time.and all our yesterdays have lighted fools to dusty death....


Is this a dagger which I see before me The handle toward my hand? Come, let me clutch thee.
I have thee not, and yet I see thee still.
Art thou not, fatal vision, sensible
To feeling as to sight? or art thou but
A dagger of the mind, a false creation,
Proceeding from the heat-oppressed brain?

i love shakespeare's macbeth
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Old Jul 10, 2013, 09:34 AM
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this is my first time posting here but i read some posts and it seems a place to be able to write...idk. Hi i guess
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Old Jul 10, 2013, 09:35 AM
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Old Jul 10, 2013, 09:38 AM
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Hi butterfly!
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Old Jul 10, 2013, 09:40 AM
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the person doing all of the alleged caring is left feeling hurt or resentful or upset at ingratitude etc. because the recipient of the caring does not then act in a certain way, or others just in general do not act how one might want in response to any number of things designed by the actor to be generous, giving, helpful etc. and instead of trying to change the ungrateful, I think it is is simpler, more direct, and more likely to succeed if one stops focussing on them and starts focussing more on oneself.
I have been thinking about this a lot this morning. I think it is why I have had such a problem on PC lately. I am too wrapped up in what other people are doing and not paying enough attention to what I am doing. I am finding ways to irritate myself. I need to adjust my focus.
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Old Jul 10, 2013, 09:42 AM
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Old Jul 10, 2013, 09:43 AM
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More mother dreams last night. Two weeks since the phone call, and dreams are not subsiding. I could strangle my cousin for giving in to the old ladies and calling me. Don't they live in peace, doing whatever they want to do? Aren't I entitled to do the same? But no - I'm doomed because I once knew them. Because I happened to be related to them. Because I failed to live up to their standards. Never mind that they failed my standards.

Eta: yeah the couch is different. I think its opened up some.

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Old Jul 10, 2013, 09:43 AM
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Old Jul 10, 2013, 09:47 AM
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this is my first time posting here but i read some posts and it seems a place to be able to write...idk. Hi i guess
Welcome! Write and post away.
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Old Jul 10, 2013, 09:52 AM
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Hey butterfly...welcome!
Thanks Stopdog, that looks interesting.
Sorry Hankstah...you do deserve peace.

mkac!
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