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Old Dec 27, 2014, 11:30 AM
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I find Brene Brown soothing to listen to and she puts me to sleep. The actual meaning of what she is saying I find worthless, but her speaking voice itself reminds me of my grandmother and is quite comforting to me.
That's a nice thought Makes me feel like I should look up her talking LOL.
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Old Dec 27, 2014, 11:32 AM
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Brené Brown: The power of vulnerability | Talk Video | TED.com

http://www.ted.com/talks/brene_brown_listening_to_shame
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Old Dec 27, 2014, 11:40 AM
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I have never heard of this woman, but I will watch those videos later on. You've all made me curious.

Being vulnerable scares the crap out of me.

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Old Dec 27, 2014, 11:44 AM
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I don't think she's the greatest thing since sliced bread but I found her helpful for me. What helps one person may not help another
Oh, absolutely. I did not mean to imply that her take on things can't be helpful for anybody. And I suspect it might perhaps be more difficult for somebody who is not part of her culture to relate to the things she says. The shame video makes me feel deeply ashamed, interestingly
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Old Dec 27, 2014, 01:09 PM
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(((Catonyx)))
I have a child with special needs - I understand what you're going through. It's like you have a dream for your child and your family and yourself and it's just all taken away. Yes, you have your child, by you're still in mourning for that life that you and your child will never have now. Very few people seem to get this. The amount of times I've heard, well, so-in-so had a miscarriage or my friend who's son was stillborn... These things are awful, but don't try to tell me I have it better. A child's death is awful, but it is final. There is closure. This is a different kind of grief. It's complicated grief I guess, because I feel guilty for grieving... It feels like a betrayal of who my son is. But the grief is not about him, it's about me... I have to remember that, so I don't get resentful.
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Old Dec 27, 2014, 01:11 PM
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i need to start listening to audiobooks at night like my interim t suggested; insomnia is bad at the moment and listening to stories usually sends me to sleep and shuts out urges.
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Old Dec 27, 2014, 01:12 PM
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I just had someone talk to me about toxins like the bacteria which causes the flu.

There was so much wrong with that sentence I wanted to cry.

It's a VIRUS. A VIIIRRRUUUUS....
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Old Dec 27, 2014, 01:15 PM
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I just had someone talk to me about toxins like the bacteria which causes the flu.
Please tell me you laughed in their face.
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Old Dec 27, 2014, 01:18 PM
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I don't find it odd that there are various theories about illness. Western medicine is not always correct. They have a working theory right now about virus sorts of things - but that, to me, does not rule out other possibilities or types.
Of course, I see an herbalist and acupuncturist for anything that goes wrong with me that does not heal up in a week or so, so perhaps that puts it in perspective.
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Old Dec 27, 2014, 01:32 PM
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Please tell me you laughed in their face.
I felt like putting my head through my computer screen. Bio 101. I wanted to post my Bill Nye meme "Bro, do you even science?" :P
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Old Dec 27, 2014, 01:34 PM
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And look, I get that not everyone may understand virus v. bacteria. Life is life and bio 101 is a long time ago. It's just when they speak with authority on it, then I'm really annoyed.
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Old Dec 27, 2014, 01:42 PM
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I don't find it odd that there are various theories about illness. Western medicine is not always correct. They have a working theory right now about virus sorts of things - but that, to me, does not rule out other possibilities or types.
Of course, I see an herbalist and acupuncturist for anything that goes wrong with me that does not heal up in a week or so, so perhaps that puts it in perspective.

Ehhhhhhh, Stop... A toxin is an toxic substance, a bacteria is an animal, a very small, simple animal, but still an animal. As is a virus. Antibiotics will kill bacteria, but they are useless against viruses. Viruses and bacteria can be seen via microscopy - it's pretty much proven beyond doubt that viruses cause the flu and common cold.
Of course there's no reason why one would have to treat colds with Western methods. The old ways work better for colds anyway...
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Old Dec 27, 2014, 01:46 PM
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Ehhhhhhh, Stop... A toxin is an toxic substance, a bacteria is an animal, a very small, simple animal, but still an animal. As is a virus. Antibiotics will kill bacteria, but they are useless against viruses. Viruses and bacteria can be seen via microscopy - it's pretty much proven beyond doubt that viruses cause the flu and common cold.
Of course there's no reason why one would have to treat colds with Western methods. The old ways work better for colds anyway...
I am not talking colds. I just don't necessarily believe what we call science or scientists.
We don't believe the world is flat anymore either. But scientists at the time did - and thought they had proof of it.
Being a lesbian was once a psychiatric illness - now it is not. These things change.
I am not trying to get you to agree with me, just that I don't have the faith in western medicine/scientists that some seem to have.
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Old Dec 27, 2014, 01:53 PM
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Alright SD, I'll leave it alone, but I am a scientist. The germ theory of disease is right up there with the world not being flat for me.
I agree with you that Western medicine is not always be way to go, but sometimes it is too...

Eta: I think most psychiatric diagnoses are BS btw. Psychiatry is not medicine - it is more of an art then a science and any diagnosis given without a physical test is subjective and unreliable - albeit useful to some people, in some circumstances. It should never be treated as Gospel though, IMNSHO.
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Old Dec 27, 2014, 02:39 PM
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I have a child with special needs - I understand what you're going through. It's like you have a dream for your child and your family and yourself and it's just all taken away. Yes, you have your child, by you're still in mourning for that life that you and your child will never have now. Very few people seem to get this. The amount of times I've heard, well, so-in-so had a miscarriage or my friend who's son was stillborn... These things are awful, but don't try to tell me I have it better. A child's death is awful, but it is final. There is closure. This is a different kind of grief. It's complicated grief I guess, because I feel guilty for grieving... It feels like a betrayal of who my son is. But the grief is not about him, it's about me... I have to remember that, so I don't get resentful.

Yes. This. You get it. In one paragraph you have just summarized what I feel, but have been unable to put into words.

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Old Dec 27, 2014, 02:48 PM
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Usually very badly. This method is to tie them in a piece of wrap and place in the water.
How to Poach Eggs in Plastic Wrap. Perfect Poached Eggs Every Time!
I would worry about chemicals leaching from the plastic wrap into the egg. This new generation has learned nothing!! Plus to me those gather wrinkles look weird - so the esthetics of it probably bother me more than the science.
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Old Dec 27, 2014, 02:51 PM
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Old Dec 27, 2014, 03:21 PM
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I would worry about chemicals leaching from the plastic wrap into the egg. This new generation has learned nothing!! Plus to me those gather wrinkles look weird - so the esthetics of it probably bother me more than the science.
There have been discussions on food sites about the possible leaching - some say maybe - some say not. I don't worry much about it. I ate the 60's and 70's food and so if stuff is going to poison me - it is already in me. Plus I was 20 or so before I ate a vegetable that had not been cooked for hours in bacon grease or with a ham hock. It did work better for me than any other method of poaching eggs and I don't do it every day of the week so for me the concern is just not there. In terms of poaching an egg like that or eating cool whip, cheese in a can, any fast food of any sort or even twizzlers - I know which one I choose as not being the health concern for me.
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Old Dec 27, 2014, 03:29 PM
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Oh alrite - i'll just be over here in your dream kitchen with my fake eggs and my fake sugar, wondering why nothing is rising!
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Old Dec 27, 2014, 03:40 PM
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Just stay out of my dreams with the fake foodstuff cooking. I don't think it resolved before I woke up.
The fake sugar and fake creamer stuff creep me out. Plus god knows how poisoned I am from all of the canned tomatoes and campbell's cream of X soup my mother cooked with while I was growing up.
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Old Dec 27, 2014, 03:54 PM
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Yes. This. You get it. In one paragraph you have just summarized what I feel, but have been unable to put into words.

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It took me a long time to get it, and some of what I went through on the way is what I can't post about. I don't exactly have preexisting mental health issues per say, but I do have enough stuff that I have difficultly seeing that people just want to help - no strings attached. Being in an abusive relationship didn't exactly help either...
For a lot of years I was afraid to let health professionals, and most anybody else honestly, see how I was feeling because I was afraid they would be disgusted with me and take my child from me. Ultimately it blew up in my face... I'm still not really sure how to do it - to reach out and ask for help appropriately, but I'm getting there
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Old Dec 27, 2014, 04:35 PM
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It took me a long time to get it, and some of what I went through on the way is what I can't post about. I don't exactly have preexisting mental health issues per say, but I do have enough stuff that I have difficultly seeing that people just want to help - no strings attached. Being in an abusive relationship didn't exactly help either...
For a lot of years I was afraid to let health professionals, and most anybody else honestly, see how I was feeling because I was afraid they would be disgusted with me and take my child from me. Ultimately it blew up in my face... I'm still not really sure how to do it - to reach out and ask for help appropriately, but I'm getting there
I am in the same boat. Only preexisting issue is social anxiety, but it wasn't too bad really. I could deal with it just fine. However, I now have a few issues. In working through things in T I have also discovered various issues from the past that I did not address that are now coming up along with all the other crap from my current situation. It is the weirdest thing.

I keep everything to myself and always have. I actually knew immediately that this was a case where I could not handle it on my own and was very forward in asking for help. I didn't wait at all. My issue is that I find it near impossible to put my thoughts into words and speak them. It takes so long to form a coherent thought in T.

Opening up to T has been a long process and my T actually left to pursue other ventures this month. So I am starting with a new one in the new year. I hope that process of opening up doesn't take nearly as long as the first time.

BTW.... I sent you a message. I hope you don't mind.
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Old Dec 27, 2014, 04:59 PM
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I am in the same boat. Only preexisting issue is social anxiety, but it wasn't too bad really. I could deal with it just fine. However, I now have a few issues. In working through things in T I have also discovered various issues from the past that I did not address that are now coming up along with all the other crap from my current situation. It is the weirdest thing.

I keep everything to myself and always have. I actually knew immediately that this was a case where I could not handle it on my own and was very forward in asking for help. I didn't wait at all. My issue is that I find it near impossible to put my thoughts into words and speak them. It takes so long to form a coherent thought in T.

Opening up to T has been a long process and my T actually left to pursue other ventures this month. So I am starting with a new one in the new year. I hope that process of opening up doesn't take nearly as long as the first time.

BTW.... I sent you a message. I hope you don't mind.
Sent you a reply

I have the social anxiety too. I know exactly what you mean about it being so hard to get a coherent thought out in T - in addition to that my previous T really didn't understand me at all, mostly due to the situation I put myself into by trying to cope by myself (with an abusive partner in the mix) for too long. She was very frustrated with me...

I'm sorry that your T left That doesn't make things any easier.
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Old Dec 27, 2014, 05:08 PM
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Gaaaaaaaah.
I have to stay out of certain threads. When will I learn?
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i need to start listening to audiobooks at night like my interim t suggested; insomnia is bad at the moment and listening to stories usually sends me to sleep and shuts out urges.
Yes, I find that it works very well for me, too. I have a recording of The Canterbury Tales (in translation into Modern English) which is great for the purpose. It is beautiful but also soothing.
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