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#51
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I have not seen any evidence that the OP has encountered such Ts. In my experience, most Ts are not like this.
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#52
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She claimed I showed negative transference towards her. I think most of such a statement is both unethical and based on speculations. She knew very little about me and my history and as soon as thereīs a therapeutic setting, every complaint or negative expression seems to be a basis for labeling or for putting a diagnosis to every behaviour.
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#53
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Thanks for this.
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#55
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This post is to diagnose by text and out of speculations. Noone can read that much out of a text to say things like
"I don't see a recognition of the T in the room as a separate individual. I suspect Ts are seeing much the same thing." You donīt know the whole picture and still you seem to believe you have the right and perhaps also knowledge to make statements like this. How could you know if my questions to this potential T were of a kind that would undermine our relationship? Just because itīs a therapeutic setting every complaint or opinion donīt have to be about personality disorders, lack of control or whatever. This scheduling thing that came up with this T could be translated into many other situations like scheduling appointments with your physician or a dentist. Quote:
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#56
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In my experience, a significant number of therapists are fragile, unperceptive types who compensate for their fraudulent pretense with bluster and arrogance. More than therapists I've known personally (in therapy and real life) I see it in their writings.
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#57
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I've never run into a therapist as you described. Lots of neurosurgeons though, a few lawyers, some teachers, lots of business people, . . . .
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This post is based on facts you donīt have and you know way to little about me to recommend a DBT group. I donīt know about the conditions where you live but in my country a DBT group is for people who has been diagnosed with borderline and most often those people also act out in some kind of self-destructive behaviour, food, sex, cutting themselves and so on.
The potential T I met with told that she had already had clients whom she let e-mail her between sessions and before I even asked questions in an e-mail I asked her if it was ok. If she thought it might have a basis in some kind of personality disorder she couldnīt treat do you really think she had let me e-mail her? Do you really think my former T had let me attend therapy for three months with her (she wasnīt within psychatric care or anything similar) if I had to be treated in a DBT group? As you seem to have read many of my posts I have also earlier on told about that referrals were sent from my physician to T:s in a more psychiatric setting and they just told I wasnīt in need of that kind of care. I agree there are some kind of dynamics to look in to but to suggest a DBT group without knowing me in person itīs not helpful. Such posts can only make it worse for people here at PC, such posts bring only unneccesary headaches. You may disagree around the certain event with this potential T and thatīs fine but when it comes to recommend different kinds of treatments, I donīt think anyone in here is qualified to do so just out of reading posts. Quote:
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Thanks for this supportive comment. I agree to what you say and Iīve commented upon those posts that contained some kind of recommendations about treatments. Itīs of course fine to interpret situations with T:s differently and to ask for and give perspectives but not when it comes to diagnoses in some way or another.
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#60
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DBT is used for a variety of people in most countries. You need to understand that when people from here recommend DBT, we are used to it being available for a variety of issues. No one is making diagnoses here. They are suggesting a therapy approach that they think might work well for your needs. People are trying to offer helpful support, but you are fighting that support all the way, even from peers. Okay. Your right to do so, but perhaps this is a pattern with people.
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#61
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I agree that arrogance and bluster is quite universal. However I think therapists' role makes them particularly susceptible because 1) They're often idolized 2) The therapy relationship itself often is engineered to put the therapists in the power seat 3) Clients may look to them for Life Answers they likely won't have, and they'll fake it. (Among other things)
In other words, I've often seem therapists fall victim to their own publicity. Bottom line --I think it a recipe for harm to put therapists on a superhuman pedestal. No human has been cleansed of flaws. Quote:
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#62
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I donīt think anyone in here knows enough about a person just by reading posts to even recommend certain treatments. You can of course talk about different kinds of therapy in a general manner but when using examples from what I wrote you also diagnose in a way. You speculate and interpret behaviours you havenīt seen for yourself.
Neither do you know how a diagnosis would look like in my country to attend for example a DBT group, perhaps itīs partially different from where you live, you donīt know. As Iīve seen both a T and a physician and none of them ever mentioned DBT, I canīt see the validity in such recommendations from people in here who never met me. Quote:
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#64
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I think it is possible to just want to post and get it out without wanting suggestions or advice. Sometimes just wanting acknowledgement of being heard for example. I quit making threads except for ones that were polls because I did not want to be analysed and no matter how much I tried to make that clear, no matter how directly I said that, it was ignored. I hope OP finds a therapist who works, and I don't blame her or believe I get to judge her readiness for anything.
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FKM, I usually agree with your posts, but I was shocked to have read this. I've had experiences with people who have that trait, so I tend to notice it when I see it too....but there was no evidence here of her not seeing her T as a separate individual. Nothing.
The only thing that came close to not seeing another as an individual person is what the 2nd quote below says: "a DBT group would be great for you..." I mean, how could it possibly be known what's best for Paula? And ive' seen nothing from her indicating that she's even interested in DBT. Quote:
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Paula, I didn't read all the responses before I posted yesterday; going back and reading them, I saw that no one mentioned something that may be relevant to this situation.
I've heard of this and experienced it myself in psychoanalytic circles. It's often referred to an "evaluation and referral" (E&R) process. Or something like that. After the 3 sessions, the therapist decides if they would be a good fit for you; if not, they would find colleagues who would be better matches. It's a good thing, in my experience--and it's mean to guide a patient to the best practitioner for him/her. I don't know if this is what your T was thinking, but you said you "just counted on that she knew she would be available if I choose to begin therapy". You were making assumptions, no? It's also my experience that Ts don't explain the process and what they are going to do. In all the therapists I've seen, this happens more time than not. So she may have not explained this evaluation and referral process to you. I know it was confusing for me when I went through something similar. And about the appointment issue - some do keep semi-permanent slots open during the week for existing patients emergency appointments or for if they request a 2nd session. So yes, those can change by the week. Not sure if that is what happened here, but I have also seen that in psychoanalytic circles. I'm confused about the negative transference statement, especially about why should would say that instead of saying she's not a good match for you. Or maybe she did, and you wanted to know why? Quote:
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What scares me is the "sort of" diagnosing and advice giving that isn't asked for or helpful and comes off as judging. It seems arrogant to me to offer unsolicited advice and then get offended when the advice is rejected and make assumptions about the poster based on how they react to the advice. It's also dangerous and can do a lot of damage to the poster. |
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FKM, I usually agree with your posts, but I was shocked to have read this. I've had experiences with people who have that trait, so I tend to notice it when I see it too....but there was no evidence here of her not seeing her T as a separate individual. Nothing.
Mian, perhaps instead of "separate," I should have said "autonomous individual." The many personal characteristics of Ts that the OP has decided makes them unacceptable, coupled with the persistent and insistent ascribing of singular interpretations onto others' words strike me as objectifying. There's no expression of meaning as negotiable. No room for a T to act autonomously. An objectified person isn't perceived as one who can have multiple motivations, intents, emotions--and also can't do anything to earn trust in a relationship because they're not seen realistically. If you've been in the position of being objectified, I'm sure you've sensed this. Ts can only be as effective as a client will allow them to be. Some believe that if they cannot get past the objectifying persona ( what the one T I think was referring to as a negative transference) that a client imprints upon them, whether it's positive or negative, then they won't engage in therapy. Some Ts, by nature of their training and interest, are more adept at working within such a context. In general, they are Ts who specialize in personality disorders. If I'm extremely afraid of flying , most recommend a CBT trained T as the best able to help me. When it comes to issues of attachment and relating--issues the OP has referred to as problems for her--Ts who specialize in personality disorders are often best able to help. In either case, it's not about diagnosis or recommending treatment, it's about screening Ts--the central concern of all the OP's threads. |
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Yes, but I think it's important to note that these behaviors can also be common with highly fearful people or people in a highly anxious state, which doesn't necessarily co-occur with objectification. Someone who felt traumatized, having had a sudden, unilateral severing of a relationship with an attachment figure might be hypervigilant about a Ts intentions, movitations, words, behaviors, and even body language. That's all i'm saying.
On the contrary, it sometimes may simply referred to is "not seeing the forest through the trees." Another behavior common in highly-anxious people. Quote:
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PaulaS:
I apologize if it appeared that I was attempting to diagnose you. It was not my intention, but I can see how it could appear that way. I think T's specializing in personality disorders (including the disorder I've been disagnosed with, which I can proudly own) are best suited for managing clients with attachment difficulties. I believe you deal with attachment issues as evidenced by some of the questions you ask of your T. There is no judgment in that; I have attachment issues myself! Quote:
I encourage you to be open to the feedback provided to you from your T. Question it in a non-judgmental way. Is there any basis to her speculation? Perhaps you do have negative transference due to your poor experiences in the past. That's not necessarily a bad thing, it's just a reality. But what you do with it makes all the difference. |
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Calling it meaningless or "just opinions" is just a way of shutting down the discussion - i would ask why. |
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Sometimes interpretations (which I believe often are opinions) are simply not wanted or are incorrect or misplaced or useless or just plain dead flat wrong for a person. I don't want them even from the therapist, let alone others.
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And everyone's interpretations are different so whose advice should she take? It gets too confusing for someone when we try to diagnose or tell people what they should do or make it seem like we're some kind of expert when we are not. |
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