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Old Aug 17, 2015, 02:39 PM
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I stayed stuck for over 30 years, seeing different ts the whole time. I just didnt want to face that my family just plain didnt like me. I could admit that my mother thought children "in general" were a burden, but somehow i thought i was not included REALLY. But i was, REALLY.

When i finally decided to stop pretending with her, to stop covering up for her, things got better for me. So i would ask you - is there something youre pretending about? Besides the "bad" t. What drove you to each other? What was missing in your life that made you both vulnerable? You dont need to answer to me of course - there is a difference between blaming yourself and taking responsibility. When i took responsibility to stop pretending, i was willing to accept the consequences. Mostly that i would be ostracized. But people who were in denial themselves were the only ones who were negative - everybody else was supportive enough.
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Old Aug 17, 2015, 06:47 PM
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I stayed stuck for over 30 years, seeing different ts the whole time. I just didnt want to face that my family just plain didnt like me. I could admit that my mother thought children "in general" were a burden, but somehow i thought i was not included REALLY. But i was, REALLY.

When i finally decided to stop pretending with her, to stop covering up for her, things got better for me. So i would ask you - is there something youre pretending about? Besides the "bad" t. What drove you to each other? What was missing in your life that made you both vulnerable? You dont need to answer to me of course - there is a difference between blaming yourself and taking responsibility. When i took responsibility to stop pretending, i was willing to accept the consequences. Mostly that i would be ostracized. But people who were in denial themselves were the only ones who were negative - everybody else was supportive enough.
Thanks so much. I am sure thst the same thing drove her to me as drove me to her. I am 33 and so badly hurt that I felt my mom never loved me, was never there physically or emotionally while I was growing up. I took care of myself snd I'm an only child so I was ways alone. My ex-T is 61 ( the exact same age as my mom) with no husband and no kids... i think I became like her daughter. If you believe in transference it was really messed up, intense countertransference. A few times she suggested extra sessions (always unpaid and for a few months, 3x a week) because she had free time and cares about me. I told her every little thing in my life by email and she'd always give me a long resoonse. I could call her anytime and we arrangrd phone calls too. The problem is She gave mr what I felt desperate for and then after 5 years changed her mind and damaged me in the worst way all over again. Like kicking somrone in a bruise.
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Old Aug 17, 2015, 08:32 PM
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The good news is, you are still young, and you have these resources, like google and PC and national health care. I felt like i was the only one seeing a t when i was your age and had to go to physical bookstores. Aside from walking 5 miles to school in the snow uphill both ways i know, sorry about that

I think like musing lizzy, your issue is not your ts crummy boundaries, its still whatever it was before her. I spent a lot of time with my current t criticizing past ts, but also myself. Part of the problem was them, part of it was me. Being able to see that difference and admit it was a lot of the work toward getting better. Just cleaning up the story. Now im working on cleaning up my house and myself. But before, i kept everything fuzzy and complicated.
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Old Aug 17, 2015, 09:53 PM
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The good news is, you are still young, and you have these resources, like google and PC and national health care. I felt like i was the only one seeing a t when i was your age and had to go to physical bookstores. Aside from walking 5 miles to school in the snow uphill both ways i know, sorry about that

I think like musing lizzy, your issue is not your ts crummy boundaries, its still whatever it was before her. I spent a lot of time with my current t criticizing past ts, but also myself. Part of the problem was them, part of it was me. Being able to see that difference and admit it was a lot of the work toward getting better. Just cleaning up the story. Now im working on cleaning up my house and myself. But before, i kept everything fuzzy and complicated.
Wow. Now I'm super comfused if I should tell her or no'ot. I'm terrified she'll think this is my faultt anyway.
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Old Aug 17, 2015, 10:39 PM
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Wow. Now I'm super comfused if I should tell her or no'ot. I'm terrified she'll think this is my faultt anyway.
You should still tell her--I'm sure she'll realize it was your ex-T's fault. Your ex-T probably sensed whatever need you had (to not feel abandoned, for example) and used that to get you dependent on her. I think Hankster is trying to say that you may still have that need, so it's still an issue to be dealt with in therapy--not that you're to blame for what your ex-T did.
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Old Aug 18, 2015, 08:13 AM
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Here I go, after hiding this forever. Please wish me luck. I also cut again and I'm afraid to say yes if she asks.
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Old Aug 18, 2015, 08:15 AM
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Old Aug 18, 2015, 10:11 AM
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Here I go, after hiding this forever. Please wish me luck. I also cut again and I'm afraid to say yes if she asks.
Good luck! Let us know how it goes...
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Old Aug 18, 2015, 04:40 PM
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i think I became like her daughter. If you believe in transference it was really messed up, intense countertransference.
Seems what is rarely mentioned is that Ts can become very attached to Cs. And if that happens are they really Ts anymore?
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Old Aug 19, 2015, 08:36 AM
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Seems what is rarely mentioned is that Ts can become very attached to Cs. And if that happens are they really Ts anymore?
I think the problem is when they come attached in a way that their own needscome first.
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Old Aug 19, 2015, 08:42 AM
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So I didn't end up telling her about ex-T yesterday. I had cut really deeply again and we talked about my safety plan and triggers, and getting more help and stuff. at the end I told her something has been really hurting me for months and she got it right away, she said, "do you think it has something to do with how bad your self-harm has gotten?" And I nodded and she said "can you tell me please?" And I looked at the clock (5 mins... She often goes over but I didn't want to start it that close to the end) and asked her if I could write it for her and bring it in next week. She said it was important to tell her if it was in any way contributing to the self-harm, since it's been severe and I shouldn't be in this much pain. But I said I'd rather just talk about it next week. So that's what I'm doing and I can't really go back now so I'm nervous.
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So I didn't end up telling her about ex-T yesterday. I had cut really deeply again and we talked about my safety plan and triggers, and getting more help and stuff. at the end I told her something has been really hurting me for months and she got it right away, she said, "do you think it has something to do with how bad your self-harm has gotten?" And I nodded and she said "can you tell me please?" And I looked at the clock (5 mins... She often goes over but I didn't want to start it that close to the end) and asked her if I could write it for her and bring it in next week. So that's what I'm doing but I can't really go back now so I'm nervous.
you can do it!!! writing it down might be a better way to initiate the convo. i have done this before. i have faith in you!!!
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Old Aug 19, 2015, 08:48 AM
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I'm going to be freaking out while she reads it.

I am glad I told her though because now she'll bring it up.
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That's great that you were able to mention it, since now, like you said, she'll ask you about it. And handing her something written is easier than having to say it all in detail. I've given my T a few written things before--it is very difficult sitting there while she reads it, but then I don't have to worry about getting the words out (plus I express myself better in written form). You could probably just use what you've typed out before on the board, maybe modifying it a bit if you want. It also helps that she already knows that this is causing you great pain--so when she's reading it, she can have that in mind.

Please stay safe and take care of yourself.
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Do you guys think when I tell the new T on Tuesday, she will read my story about the ex-T and see it as me being a clingy boundary-pushing manipulator? I'm so nervous.
Sorry I'm late in the story to all that has happened with you Pink. What happened with your ex-t though? Mine totally ****ed me over. Abandoned me. Brought up the most traumatic wound there is for me and did nothing about my cries for help. Even almost died cause of it. So I may not understand totally how you feel, I don't even know what happened. But I might understand a little bit. I hope you are getting help now and taking care of yourself. For me, it took going into the hospital for a while. Then they make you set up appointments from there before you get out. I have come a long way since then (this was Dec '14). Now I'm going to school to get a degree and have finally begun to let myself enjoy life a little more. I even felt happiness for the first time in so long yesterday. I still need help, I may always because I have a disease. But I feel I am strong enough - at least stronger than I was - to handle it better now. I'm just now realizing how much the pain of the past 3 years has meant for me, and how much beauty can come of it. I'm beginning to see the beauty finally begin to blossom, and finally believe there are positive things in store for me because I have suffered.

You may not be where you want to be yet (and maybe you don't know where you want to be, or even believe you want to be anywhere and that's okay), but you will be. You will get there. Don't give up on yourself. You are not hopeless, no situation is hopeless so long as you are still breathing. So just keep breathing! Sending <3 and hugs.
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Sorry I'm late in the story to all that has happened with you Pink. What happened with your ex-t though? Mine totally ****ed me over. Abandoned me. Brought up the most traumatic wound there is for me and did nothing about my cries for help. Even almost died cause of it. So I may not understand totally how you feel, I don't even know what happened. But I might understand a little bit. I hope you are getting help now and taking care of yourself. For me, it took going into the hospital for a while. Then they make you set up appointments from there before you get out. I have come a long way since then (this was Dec '14). Now I'm going to school to get a degree and have finally begun to let myself enjoy life a little more. I even felt happiness for the first time in so long yesterday. I still need help, I may always because I have a disease. But I feel I am strong enough - at least stronger than I was - to handle it better now. I'm just now realizing how much the pain of the past 3 years has meant for me, and how much beauty can come of it. I'm beginning to see the beauty finally begin to blossom, and finally believe there are positive things in store for me because I have suffered.

You may not be where you want to be yet (and maybe you don't know where you want to be, or even believe you want to be anywhere and that's okay), but you will be. You will get there. Don't give up on yourself. You are not hopeless, no situation is hopeless so long as you are still breathing. So just keep breathing! Sending <3 and hugs.
Thank you! My story is I think on the next page where I put a copy of what I wrote for my new therapist to read about what happened. What are you studying? I have been in and out of school forever. I have a good care team now and the pain is gradually lessening.
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I asked my new T if she had any intention of discharging me in the near future and she said "absolutely not." I feel better.
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Thank you! My story is I think on the next page where I put a copy of what I wrote for my new therapist to read about what happened. What are you studying? I have been in and out of school forever. I have a good care team now and the pain is gradually lessening.

I am interested in what happened also Pink. Did you post what you want your new T to read on here? Im kinda confused as to what happened.
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hi pink ,
there is hope for you hun . stop.being hard on yourself . your psychiatrist and psychologist cannot say your hopless . you need to get start thinking positive about yourself and life. im going through the same thing that you're going through right now but 10x as worse than you are but I don't let it get to me cuz I have a good therapist who specializes in anxiety,depression,adjustments in life changes ,relationships,promoting strengths for personal growth and she is also an experienced registered nurse. I can call her whenever im in crisis or when something is not feeling right to me . pink think positive and things will work out for the better.
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Please skip for those of you who read this. This is the skimmed down version I'm going to give my new T next week:

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I started seeing K in counseling @ Gradschool about 5 years ago. In the summer, she had July and August off from work. She offered to see me at her private office as long as we kept it quiet since it was against the rules at gradschool. She also said I could call her anytime but not to tell anyone, I never did but it felt good that she offered. I felt really bad taking that much free time from but i tried to ignore it because I felt so alone. She kept telling I just needed to trust her more and that dependency is a good thing because I don't do a very good job of depending on myself. i was so scared she'd hurt me that every time I saw her I left feeling totally messed up. I think deep down it was starting to feel really unhealthy. She'd get mad that I was anxious and say it's because I didn't trust her enough.

Things started feeling like too much last year. This past August, she emailed me this (direct copy/paste):

"Now my dear, how do I convince you that I am not going to abandon you? I can’t fully promise that I won’t leave after I retire, but hey you could come with me. I probably shouldn’t say that, but I mean it."

This freaked me out because even at the time it seemed like a really weird thing to say.

At the same time, there were certain things I couldn't talk to her about and she'd threaten to leave if I talked about them or get really mad, like the self-harm. I couldn't mention it at all, especially when I started actually cutting myself again. It was like I was doing something personally to her and she'd say stuff like "well I'm obviously not helping you if you're doing that maybe you'd do better without me," then I'd just cry for an hour about how afraid I was of her being mad at me for cutting myself. So I stopped trying to talk about it. She also didn't like it if I talked about my apartment (and I basically got evicted twice while I knew her), or about church since she thought Christianity was bad. And even with I struggle to believe a lot of it, church is still really important to me.

I had seen/talked her for 5 yrs every week at least once a week or often more, except the past 2 summers when she had been away. I started to notice things changing around October or November. Her emails were more cold and less kind. Then she stopped answering them. On the phone she began to feel colder too, like she really didn't want to be talking to me anymore. The last thing I wanted was to feel like I was asking for too much. I felt like she was always mad at me or irritated to talk to me, but she wouldn't ever admit anything was different. I started wondering what the hell was wrong with me for thinking she was mad when she insisted nothing had changed.

After surgery, I was way sicker than I expected and the pee thing was really scary. I texted K (she had asked me to) and told her I had surgery and I couldn't pee, and she never answered me. I left the hospital after a few days and went to stay with my mom. Like a drugged up idiot I emailed her after a week or so and said it hurt my feelings that she didn't even email me to see how I was. She answered the message saying " if that message was meant to make me want to talk to you, it did the opposite," she also said, "what did you expect, that I would be at the hospital with you?" I was really upset because it had always been HER who insisted on the contact we had, right down to the text I sent her after surgery. She had always answered me right away before. I just got really hurt that she hadn't answered me after a week and I was really freaking out that I couldn't pee. I also felt super guilty like I shouldn't have reached out and I was being annoying and creepy. I would never want to push myself on someone who I knew didn't want me to. Finally, she called me and she sounded so furious on the phone. I ended up going and talking to her outdoors because I didn't want my mom hearing me crying and begging her not to be mad at me. She also sounded mad I stayed with my mom afterward, even though I told her I couldn't really go home while I had the catheter since my apartment is a huge disgusting infection risk.

A few days later she phoned and told me out of nowhere that "for my own good," we couldn't talk for 6 weeks. I started crying and asked her not to hurt me while I was still feeling bad from surgery (and honestly feeling really vulnerable), and did I do something wrong? I told her if she hung up without any explanation, I'd spend the next 6 weeks hating myself and going through a mllion reasons why I'm not worth caring about anymore. Then she said "I have to go," and just hung up.

I was really hurt. I started thinking about it constantly, nonstop, why I stopped being worth caring about. I talked to her after 6 wks hoping she'd at least be honest and I could stop trying to figure it out. Things got even more confusing after I went to talk to her again. First she apologized for abandoning me, "I did a really bad thing." She said she was "just changing her attitude toward work" and we could just see each other at school every now and then to keep in touch but that's it. I asked if I did something wrong or if she was mad at me because I was too demanding and then she said, "you're implying that I only care about you if I'm getting burnt out. I don't even see my friends, but I found time talk to you every week, that has to change." Then later, "everyone else who comes to see me gets better, you just get sicker..." At this point, I was beginning to have bad fears about how safe this relationship was anyway, because it was making me feel worse about myself. I also definitely don't want to be around someone who wants me gone. It also hurt that she had encouraged me to depend on her more and more for 5 yrs and then suddenly abandoned me for 6 weeks right after surgery.

I started coming to see you by the next time I talked to her. I told her that I'd been doing way better with eating and self-harm and starting to clean up my apt and that I feel comfortable & I like you and you were helping me, then she said she changed her mind about the minimal contact and I should come see her weekly as a paid private client. I had just told her like 5 mins before that I was saving up to declare bankruptcy and am living on about
$1000/month after the garnishment, but she thought it was okay to suddenly want me to come see her for $480/month. I was REALLY hurt and confused, not just because she wanted me to pay (she knew I didn't HAVE it), but because the last time I had seen her, she told me she couldn't help me. Plus she had also seemed to want to get rid of me. Also, why would she want to interfere when I told her you were helping me? At this point most of that fear of losing her had been replaced with doubt (the distance actually helped as much as it hurt), and this made me really confused and maybe a bit exploited. It's also really hard to deal with someone constantly changing their mind.

Then the last time I saw her (I saw her at school once at the beginning of April. I went out of some naive idiotic belief that maybe I could find some closure or understanding and stop hurting about it), she said she never should have talked to me outside of school in the first place (after 5 yrs of doing it) and that it was wrong for her to do it. I actually thought she meant it was wrong because it ended up hurting me and I didn't want her to feel bad so I said "it wasn't wrong, it made me feel cared for." And she answered, "maybe it helped *you*, but *I* could have lost my job." After that, I told her I didn't want to talk to her anymore because it didn't seem to bother her at all that she hurt me.
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Thank you for posting that pink. I am really sorry that happened. I am proud of you for taking steps forward and telling your current T about it. T's help the best when they know whats going on. I hope you can find peace and stop self harming. You don't deserve to be hurt. Please stay safe and be good to yourself.
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