Because it's about spirits...

is why I'm posting here.

I'm not in the habit of talking to the spirits, not even those of my mom and dad, but I've had two strange experiences in the last few weeks and I'd like your opinions.

A couple of weeks ago, when I found out about my kidneys failing, I "started setting my business in order", I even made out my AMD. One night, I was talking to my mom and said something about her coming to get me at "that moment." Just as clearly as if she'd been in the room, I heard her say "Not yet." She has NEVER spoken to me before or made herself felt.

Yesterday I was fussing with a huge lemon grass plant that I have, mostly in honor of my dad. There's no love lost there... maybe just a connection to my roots? I was unsure as to how much to clip off, whether to thin it our or what. More of a joke than anything, I said, "Ok, dad. What do I do with this thing? I have it because of you." Again, just as quick as that and as clear as you please, "Then don't have it!!"

I'm not at all surprised at the tone I heard; half angry half annoyed. LOL I responded by repeating something he used to say, in essence "go to hell" but it's not the word for hell. He responded "I am!" I'm sorry. It just struck me funny and still does.

My mom was right when she said "not yet." My dad? Whatever! LOL

Do ya'll think they are REALLY talking to me or is it a subconscious wish on my part??

LOL - wow! that is so cool, septie! i wish i could get clear messages like you do. i can only sense their presence.

Would it make a difference how you continue to react now, if you know either way? Just curious.

Of course you have to include the possibilities of meds or needing meds,what such stress can cause, and the fact that you're talking to yourself, don't you usually also answer?

Plus, as a Christian, certainly the Holy Spirit has spoken to you, through you. So whether it's what you know, your own wishes or otherwise...

but yeah, it can be unnerving to actually hear (or think you hear) a voice. It all sounds good to me

My mother, I know for sure, didn't believe in communicating with the spirit world or VV. My dad probably didn't either. The only other time I know that my dad spoke to me was when my daughter was a baby and was running a 106 temp. I almost lost her. My dad's voice woke me up from a dead sleep and told me "Wake up! Your baby needs you!" If he hadn't waken me up, she would have died for sure.

My mother has NEVER communicated or made herself felt in the 22 yrs she's been gone... until the other night.

Now the grandmother! That's something else again. She was one of my perps. She told my mom that when she died, she was going to come back to get her. My mom told her right then and there to leave her alone! Yet, she'd feel her mother quite often. I've smelled her and felt her presence and I always tell her to go back where she came from. I didn't want her around me when she was alive. I sure don't want her around me now!

There was a time, shortly after my dad died, that a car load of family saw him standing at our front door. It was unmistakable HIM. Everybody in the car said his name or Uncle David. Of course, we were all shocked. He was another one of my perps so I hardly ever think of him. He's been dead for 54 yrs.

These two experiences are really rare for me... except that when I was speaking to my mom, I thought I'd be crossing over really soon. Guess not. It was later confirmed by my MD. YAY!

Can't say that I'm looking forward to any more of these "revelations." LOL Especially from my dad!

Whether I would react differently or not isn't my point, Sky. Sometimes I just want to KNOW... or at the very least, get opinions.

It's not meds or lack of meds and it's not stress from my physical health. I've always been at peace with whatever God has in store for me.

LOL When I talk to myself, I rarely answer because I already know the answer. If I do, I may say it out loud. This was totally different. It was so clear that I looked up because it startled me, although I knew I wouldn't see either one of them.

I seriously doubt that it was the Holy Spirit answering for my dad! LOL The Holy Spirit doesn't "speak" to me in that tone of voice! In fact, I don't hear a voice at all. I just know that I know, period... or my prayers are answered silently, which is usually the case.

Just trying to keep an open mind to new experiences. That's all.

it very well could be them hon. being a paranormal investigator I have caught voices on tape that could not be heard with human ears so yes I believe it can be. one just never knows for sure.

I have experienced some very spiritual things with the unexpected death of my father (he was 34 and had a heart attack) and the much longer illness and death of my brother (also 34, from cancer).

I will write more tomorrow, but suffice it to say, that I do believe that they are around me. Take care!

so what you're saying is you hear voices of people who aren't really there?

I'd say it depends on what you call "there"? I think she's referring to what is there to, or for, her.

I've only talked about this once and it was to my old t...

Right before my father called to tell me he was dx'ed with lung cancer (He knew already, but I'd not seen him in 14 years), I was in bed, in the place between sleep and awake and from the corner of the room my father called my name. It was his deep, "marine's" voice. It was him.

Then after he passed (one week), the same exact thing happened from a different corner of my bedroom at the same time...in the place between sleep and awake.

I was the only one he reached out to when he was dx'ed and I'm so blessed to have had the end time with him. It was so healing, though traumatic.

He let me know that I was always first in his thoughts, and never out of them even when we were apart and he was "doing his thing". It was not a dream. My name was in my father's voice and coming from outside of my head, from the corner of the room. Now, I could say it happened after his death due to my always thinking of him, the trauma, etc. However, for that to happen prior to his death? I don't know. I wasn't thinking of him at all...I'd not seen him in 14 years, etc. When it happened, I actually expected to find out somehow that he'd passed...he hadn't though I did hear from him about a week after that.

I'll tell you that he was connected to his Heaven for quite a while before he passed...kinda half here and half there. I took my oldest (she's the spitting image of me...a younger, softer me and he'd not seen her since she was about 7) and God love him, the shock on his face when we walked in because he thought she was an angel (a younger me) and he had woken up in Heaven. He had his full mental capacity until the very end.

I don't know what to say about these things. I don't know whether it came from my mind as a "yearning" or premonition, or both...or something else. I don't understand it. I can only state what happened to me twice...never before, and not since.

I wouldn't think twice about it if it had only happened after his passing. I could say it was many things. But for the same exact thing to happen before I'd even seen him or knew of his illness, I can't explain away...especially when I'd never done anything like this before...ever...or since.

KD

I think anything is "possible" and that it has to do with the person themselves and their belief. I don't think my Heaven/Hell is like anyone else's Heaven/Hell but that both Heaven/Hells are possible just like it's possible for light to be a particle and a wave and change depending on whether you're looking at it or not, LOL. If you believe it was your mother and father, those beliefs make it "true" for you and my beliefs aren't relevant. If I believe it was your mother and father, my beliefs still aren't relevant. . . to your beliefs. I view the world according to my beliefs only; whether they are "true" or not isn't all that important because my world view is always true to me. A lot of "reality"/truth is a "convention" where we agree things are true. That doesn't detract from their trueness outside of us; Love is "true" whether I believe in it or not, just their relevance to us. I don't have to believe in Love.

Danialla, I believe that the spirits of our loved ones who have gone ahead are around us and can see us, even hear us. In the New Testament it says that we have a "cloud of witnesses" around us.

KD, thank for sharing that! Sometimes people try to solve everything with a mental illness and it's not always so.

Yes, I, too, believe that you are blessed to have had those two experiences with your dad. How healing for you!

I still say that if it hadn't been for my dad, I might have lost my baby daughter. That instance, I have no doubt about!

Perna, it's those beliefs that I'm interested in hearing. Something of what you believe may ring true for me, too, ya know? But if you don't want to share, that's okay, too.

bebop, you're a paranormal investigator? really? way cool! i like watching "ghosthunters" on sci-fi channel on wednesday nights. neato!

after my 2 previous cats died nearly 2 months prior, they sort of appeared to me on thanksgiving. i just saw them out of the corner of my eye. but, when i looked, there was nothing, so i just plain opened up my heart and, then, i saw their spirits. they were so happy and beautiful. it was the most beautiful sight i've ever seen.

Oh boy - maybe I read this wrong - but talk about spirits to me.

Yes - they exist, but so do the bad ones - you have to tap into the ones that are around.

Some people think I am nuts when I tell them my experiences....They almost all have to do with frogs - just because "frogs" are my phobia...I have so many stories where my husband comes back as a frog - only because he knows/knew I hated them - they are truely my phobia.

The one thing I cannot stress enough - listen to your intuition - I didn't on some occasions and regretted it because I listened to my friend. Hence - my car got totalled in a parking lot by another driver coming off the highway that I didn't want to park by-in a hotel parking spot....Yeah - what's the chance, she said ???? And 2 hrs later a guy came off the freeway and damaged 5 cars in the parking lot of the hotel and walked away with only an injured elbow....I am telling ya - go by your gut. dee

I have trouble believing that our loved ones sit around in "Heaven" and "watch" us, like they have nothing else to do, and thus are on the "sidelines" because they're not living their lives anymore? I don't think we "leave" here just to be sidelined! And how far back does one go? I have a feeling/affinity for my great grandmother who died 10+ years before I was born; how about my great great great great grandmother? How long does a person's Spirit hang around just "for" me to discover/think about/need it? What happens to my great grandmother's Spirit I "needed"/thought about, etc. when I die? I tie myself in knots sometimes thinking about my father, mother and stepmother (and her first husband) in "Heaven" and how that works :-) Or what would I say to my mother who died when I was 3? I'm a grown woman and even if she has "seen" me grow up, etc. the "relationship" has changed from the one we had so we can't know one another in "that" way anymore?

I guess I'm more of a believer similar to C.S. Lewis in his book, The Great Divorce where people go on "further in" but can choose to come back to "meet" others of us when we die and help us then with understanding/Eternity.

But I do like the idea that the Spirit of someone's Spirit? could still be available to me now if it would be helpful to me? Anything could be possible. I do believe "God" is aware/"in charge" and that it all "works".

(((sept))))

I truly believe in guardian angels whether they be passed loved ones or devine messengers, I truly believe my grandad is around me, although I have never seen him, I feel his presence and dream about him when I'm really distressed, in one dream he gave me such a loving cuddle, it was so real, it was as though he was telling me he is still here for me.Maybe you're parents are coming through to you as they know you are worried about your health, they are different in spiritual plane imo, maybe they are trying to make amends.

love, Kerry xoxoxoxoxo

have never experienced sighting a spirit but have had experiences of smells related to loved ones,we have smelled the fragrence of Intimate (Grandmothers favorite), then also apples bring peace again pertaining to (Grandmother) these bring us inner peace

No, I don't believe that the spirits of our loved ones just sit around with nothing else to do but "watch us." I do believe like you do, that they are available to us if and when we need them.

The first time my dad spoke to me when my baby daughter lay in her crib burning up with a fever that could have killed her; that to me was as real as me sitting here typing this is.

What happened when I was trimming the lemon grass, I believe, was the energy that he left behind in me. While I remember him being affectionate towards me while he was alive, the overall "attitude" was that he wasn't happy being where he was... with us. I now know why. It was the grandmother's presence and her ever present evil, control and manipulations.

Now HER I've had trouble getting rid of her spirit hanging around me. She appeared to my oldest son shortly after her death, (he saw her!) I felt the evil in the room and a cold place around the seat where she always sat.

After I was regressed in therapy and remembered what she had done to me, I could feel her behind me for a long, long time, smelled her with and without the Tabu that she wore on Sundays. I told her repeatedly to go back to where she belonged and to LEAVE ME ALONE!!! It seems she's finally listened, but just by speaking of it right now, I'm afraid that she'll start coming around again. (shiver!) I don't know what she wanted from me and I really couldn't care less! She can go haunt the rest of the family that she harmed! They can deal with her!

Thanks for sharing your views. As I suspected, we share some of those beliefs. I haven't read The Great Divorce. I'll have to look for the book and hope I find it. I've got most of C. S. Lewis' works already.

Have you read The Screwtape Letters? I found that especially fascinating! His Sci-Fi books were exceptional, too.

The Great Divorce is my favorite C.S. Lewis book; in fact, one of my favorite all-time books:

http://www.amazon.com/Great-Divorce-.../dp/0060652950

Yes, I've read Screwtape and most of his other books too, but many years ago (1970s mostly). I liked how they did the Lion, Witch & Wardrobe movie recently; hope they do the other books too.

I'm a firm believer. I stand by that truth.

Kerry, I think all that you talk about is possible. My experiences are limitied, though, that's why I'm curious.

My mom has been my intercessor for sure. I talked to her at her gravesite a long time ago when my daughter was in great peril. The problem was resolved and I know it was God that changed the situation, not my mom... but I never really prayed from my gut like I talked to my mom. It's still one of those "out there" mysteries to me.

You know, Angie, to this day I can't stand the smell of Tabu... yet I used to wear it all the time when a teenager. Now it only means one thing... HER!!

Once, I bought a bottle of Old Spice to remind me of my dad, but it sure didn't smell like him! I threw it away. Don't think it smells like it used to anymore, not that I would want to smell him NOW.

Thanks, Perna! I'll order it for sure!