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Old Dec 01, 2018, 11:40 AM
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I wonder if he was actually asked to leave because he had bad boundaries with a few clients and one of them blew up his face before you did. Is he at a clinic?

It sounds like may be just realizing he is bad at his job and should get out but the thought crossed my mind that there is more going on here based on some of the things you’re saying (unpaid time together and pics etc)
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Old Dec 01, 2018, 11:55 AM
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No not a clinic

Worked for a company serving disabled folks. Most of his clients were in group homes

He's friends with his boss. He told me he took that job because he could lose his home if he wasn't getting a better pay job.

Many co workers liked him. When i was there yesterday and saw them. Many seemed bummed he was leaving
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Old Dec 01, 2018, 11:58 AM
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Definitely wont. Ruining his life won't make me feel better. Not the kind of person I am
My own mom would be in jail if I was

But ya I'll hold off a bit. Someday i may want to look back without anger
I want to make it clear that in the instance of reporting his exploitative behaviour, you would not have ruined his life. He would have ruined his life by his actions, reporting him results in accountability for those actions. He is solely responsible for compromising his life options, ethical credibility, and professionalism NOT you - you would be shining on a light on his behaviour.

I feel very strongly about this and it is getting close to my issues so I won't say any more as I realise you want support and not a debate. I wish you well.
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Old Dec 01, 2018, 12:04 PM
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That's fine and you can see it that way. I wont ever do it. Nothing will convince me. He wasn't all bad. Even if it was fake he made me believe I mattered. He helped me through losing my dog. I'm gonna focus on the good not this.
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Old Dec 01, 2018, 12:19 PM
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^I'm sure it will...I'll never forget him but like with my dog, it gets easier to manage in life.

However, this will serve as another lesson in trusting people. Only keeping me more isolated and distant. It happens way too much to me. I can't keep doing this to myself.

I'm trying to get the courage to delete all the pics, and texts and emails related to him. I can't look at any of that again without feeling like I was played but yet, I can't do it

I assume it's not normal to have over 100 pics of your t, that he ok'd you taking/having? Oh well it must be, because he didn't break any boundaries or anything or it was because I wanted it, damn, if I knew he was that big a push over, I should have asked for money
Oh wow- I can't imagine my T letting me take his photo . I try not to bring my phone near session. My T is Captain Boundaries. Your T in supervision with my T would be quite the event.
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Old Dec 01, 2018, 12:26 PM
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Your T in supervision with my T would be quite the event.
If he is anything like T1 (which I think he is) he would lie through his teeth in supervision.
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Old Dec 01, 2018, 12:35 PM
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Old Dec 01, 2018, 12:50 PM
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That's fine and you can see it that way. I wont ever do it. Nothing will convince me. He wasn't all bad. Even if it was fake he made me believe I mattered. He helped me through losing my dog. I'm gonna focus on the good not this.
The way i see it, he did things to fix other peoples mistakes. Like my t hugged me for ten years because i told him that my previous 4 or 5 ts, over the previous 30 years, would only hug me once, on the last day, and i would be like, wth was that?! I only exist for one day?! Where was i the rest of the time? THAT was bad therapy, leaving me alone for 30 years, not the ten years of hugs. I finally went from absent to present. It wasnt exploitation. And what exactly is a fake hug, or fake attention?
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Old Dec 01, 2018, 01:22 PM
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That's fine and you can see it that way. I wont ever do it. Nothing will convince me. He wasn't all bad. Even if it was fake he made me believe I mattered. He helped me through losing my dog. I'm gonna focus on the good not this.
It's not fake that you matter, even if HE was fake when he did it. And if you can take that with you, the fact/feeling that you matter, and the fact that he was with you in your grief about your dog, then that is definitely good. I'm not sure that I could.

And maybe he wasn't all fake all the time, who knows.
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Old Dec 01, 2018, 02:36 PM
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I didn't want to post here anymore as it was causing me to feel more tense and worrisome with my own therapy but it looks like it's all ending soon anyway.

Got a bombshell that t is leaving in just a few short weeks (before xmas) and going to a whole new career.

Since we have been super close, I thought there might be hope to keep in touch or something but he said no. Went on about ethics even though he isn't going to do therapy anymore, for some reason, is renewing his license. I can't even deal with this.

Last year I had the worst loss of my life around the holidays with my beloved dog and T helped me through it, now I'm losing him before xmas and no one to help. I feel like our whole relationship is a lie and he was only nice to me out of pity.

All I can take away from this is that it was a bad idea to trust and be close to someone, something I wont allow to happen again. I knew he seemed 'too nice' to really actually like me or care.

I'm not sure how to even go on, I've got nothing in my life anymore. Just my other dog who is almost 16 and wont be here much longer either. I WONT go to therapy with anyone else, especially after this... no way. I can't try trusting someone again, not worth it.

Only 3 sessions to go and it's goodbye forever, idk how to cope. I'm not even sure I can go to the last one. I'm just so broken. Angry I ever tried therapy in the first place.
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Do you feel that you could share any of this with T? In whatever way you might feel comfortable putting it? Might help...

I can totally relate. Therapy is such a special, close relationship. It's awful when you have to doubt that it's that way for them...
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Old Dec 01, 2018, 03:28 PM
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I'm gonna ask if I can do 2x a week the last 2 weeks. I mean, it will give me 4 sessions, so like a months worth... and I can still use one of them to cry/vent. I want to use one to work on goals and steps to get there... and one to talk about the good stuff. We will see what he says

At this point, I don't see what the issue is, not like I am gonna depend on someone who is losing his phone and email in 2 weeks, either way, I'm cut out.

I am ashamed to admit, this has really messed me up, I tried to drive off the road earlier today. I thankfully didn't hit anything because my dog was with me.

I'm just in such shock. I can't believe this man who seemed to really like me and went out of my way for me, was just acting, for 20 months.
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Old Dec 01, 2018, 03:52 PM
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I'm gonna ask if I can do 2x a week the last 2 weeks. I mean, it will give me 4 sessions, so like a months worth... and I can still use one of them to cry/vent. I want to use one to work on goals and steps to get there... and one to talk about the good stuff. We will see what he says

At this point, I don't see what the issue is, not like I am gonna depend on someone who is losing his phone and email in 2 weeks, either way, I'm cut out.

I am ashamed to admit, this has really messed me up, I tried to drive off the road earlier today. I thankfully didn't hit anything because my dog was with me.

I'm just in such shock. I can't believe this man who seemed to really like me and went out of my way for me, was just acting, for 20 months.

I think it's natural to want to do something rash when feeling this depressed/hurt. I've certainly been guilty of it in the past. What you are going through right now is destabilising, stressful, anxiety-inducing and definitely a shock to the system. But you will get through it, hard as it is to think that way. You did nothing wrong, you don't deserve to be treated this way and I am so sorry and angry on your behalf. Everything, even the most horrible things, pass and with time you will regain emotional stability and security, within yourself. Just try for the time being to look after yourself and show yourself a little kindness....like with a physical illness, an emotional wound needs to be looked after.

I wish I had something more encouraging to say to you or some better advice. You'll be ok, DP, just hang in there and wait for the sh*tstorm to pass. We are all here for you in the meantime.
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Old Dec 01, 2018, 04:22 PM
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He went on to basically blame me for everything, saying he did all the things he did with me because I asked him too.... and that he regrets doing out of office work. He claims being with me outside the office made him uncomfortable which is why he is not open to a friendship, even after 2 years "It will always feel too weird and professional" too him.

He felt cold and distant. Barely saying anything to my sadness. Not seeming to understand or care at all.


*sigh* i'm sorry... your Ts behaviour towards you in your last session leaves me with nothing nice to say

ex-T gave me a similar speech when he regretted blurring the boundaries and 'giving in' to an idea, when ironically, it was his idea to fully follow through with it in the first place. similar to your T, ex-T later regretted doing it and tried to put the blame on me. in the end he was doing nothing more than covering his own selfish arse.

unfortunately, we see this time and time again by the stories shared on this forum. it's an incredibly painful lesson to learn when you come to realise that one of the persons you've shared your most vulnerable parts and trust with is only looking out for their own needs and feeding their selfish tendencies i know that this was not the lesson i was intending to learn when i signed up for therapy, but it's probably the one that has left the biggest lasting impression on me and has definilty taken a bit of time to recover from.

be kind to yourself
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Old Dec 01, 2018, 06:34 PM
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*sigh* i'm sorry... your Ts behaviour towards you in your last session leaves me with nothing nice to say

ex-T gave me a similar speech when he regretted blurring the boundaries and 'giving in' to an idea, when ironically, it was his idea to fully follow through with it in the first place. similar to your T, ex-T later regretted doing it and tried to put the blame on me. in the end he was doing nothing more than covering his own selfish arse.

unfortunately, we see this time and time again by the stories shared on this forum. it's an incredibly painful lesson to learn when you come to realise that one of the persons you've shared your most vulnerable parts and trust with is only looking out for their own needs and feeding their selfish tendencies i know that this was not the lesson i was intending to learn when i signed up for therapy, but it's probably the one that has left the biggest lasting impression on me and has definilty taken a bit of time to recover from.

be kind to yourself

My ex-marriage counselor did similar things during the rupture that ultimately led to termination. He said he should have been more consistent with boundaries. Which to me felt like he regretted giving me what he had, like out-of-session contact and caring. And he also tried to gaslight me about a couple things, claiming he didn't do them when he did. It felt like he was just trying to make excuses and cover for himself. It really hurt and made me view the relationship differently. I'm still working through it now, almost a year since the rupture and 8 months since the actual termination. But my T is helping me process it now. I don't think I was really ready to process it before.
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Old Dec 01, 2018, 06:38 PM
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I felt similar like he regretted caring, knowing me etc. The part I can't deal with most is him saying he felt uncomfortable with me. It just re-affirimed my already self hate issues. Never thought he would be one of "those" and I'd be losing him in this way. I'm glad you are able to work through it now.
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Old Dec 01, 2018, 06:47 PM
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Everything was allllways my fault with S.
My fault or "in my head."

Turns out, that's how he lives his whole life. Nothing is ever his fault. He is always the victim.
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The part I can't deal with most is him saying he felt uncomfortable with me.
You see, this is one good reason it's better not to develop friendship with an ex-T. Friends can say things like that to each-other and call it honesty and being open with feelings, but it would likely always sound awful from a T or ex-T.

My first T blamed me and my "transference" (that never existed in the form he claimed it) for everything he was not able to deal with and became extremely manipulative in the end. He never behaved that way earlier in my therapy, only when we started having conflicts and I expressed dissatisfaction with a number of things. He just wasn't able to handle his failure and projected all sorts of crap onto me. I am not a very sensitive person in general to other people's BS but that made me mad for a long time, because it was so unfair. It is hard not to take it to heart but that's what I would suggest, if you can detach yourself from this Ts influence somewhat at least. You acknowledge yourself that he wasn't a very good therapist for you to start with and probably not the kind of person whose opinions deserve too much consideration now. It is definitely not you who is worth little but this guy as a professional!
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Old Dec 01, 2018, 07:08 PM
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If a friend said that to me, I'd also be hurt. I did think it was open and honest from him but it does not mean it didn't hurt. Why would anyone enjoy hearing that, from anyone else?
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If a friend said that to me, I'd also be hurt. I did think it was open and honest from him but it does not mean it didn't hurt. Why would anyone enjoy hearing that, from anyone else?
I did not mean to suggest anyone would enjoy it but, at least for me, I usually value if a friend tells me directly if something about me or what we do makes them uncomfortable - then I can pay attention and do things differently. It usually does not mean they don't like me or don't care, more the opposite. And I also like if I can be that direct with a good friend. It is not pleasant but an effective way to resolve issues in a relationship, IMO. But from a T to a client, I think they should not say anything like that or do it very carefully and thoughtfully, also time it well. I am pretty sure Ts feel uncomfortable around many things with clients, just like most people with work challenges sometimes. But they are not paid and called professionals to voice their discomfort, especially without a therapeutic reason for the client.
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I am truly sorry that you are hurting so much. However, I really do think he’s done you a massive favour. His lax boundaries have already damaged you & although at this point, it doesn’t feel like it, but in time you will see that he’s given you the best gift of all, by not being in your life. You are important, you do matter & you do deserve better. You have a good understanding of what you need to do to make your life better. IMO in time, I’d see another therapist. You will be guarded & of course you won’t trust someone else initially, but if you find a therapist who has good & consistent boundaries, you will be more inclined to trust them & you will be safe.
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I did not mean to suggest anyone would enjoy it but, at least for me, I usually value if a friend tells me directly if something about me or what we do makes them uncomfortable - then I can pay attention and do things differently. It usually does not mean they don't like me or don't care, more the opposite. And I also like if I can be that direct with a good friend. It is not pleasant but an effective way to resolve issues in a relationship, IMO. But from a T to a client, I think they should not say anything like that or do it very carefully and thoughtfully, also time it well. I am pretty sure Ts feel uncomfortable around many things with clients, just like most people with work challenges sometimes. But they are not paid and called professionals to voice their discomfort, especially without a therapeutic reason for the client.
It's not that I don't value it, although I don't believe he is being truthful either, it's just that, hearing it, hurt. For me, it's about the state of mind I'm in while hearing it. Usually I keep ALL people in my life distant, so we don't discuss much personal anything. Some of them have been blunt in the past and it's fine. Some like my best friend, can be blunt, and while I like it, because you know what you are getting, it also hurts. She told me in regards to this situation to stop crying, it's ridiculous. It hurt because it reminded me of my mom. So friends can hurt, family can hurt, it doesn't matter WHO someone is.

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I am truly sorry that you are hurting so much. However, I really do think he’s done you a massive favour. His lax boundaries have already damaged you & although at this point, it doesn’t feel like it, but in time you will see that he’s given you the best gift of all, by not being in your life. You are important, you do matter & you do deserve better. You have a good understanding of what you need to do to make your life better. IMO in time, I’d see another therapist. You will be guarded & of course you won’t trust someone else initially, but if you find a therapist who has good & consistent boundaries, you will be more inclined to trust them & you will be safe.
Thanks but therapy is not for me. Not something I've any interest in bothering with again. I know I'm unfixable but it is what it is. I don't want to waste more time or money on it. I'd rather be with dogs anyway. I'm looking into adopting another and volunteering with dogs. Stuff to keep me busy.
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Old Dec 03, 2018, 01:25 PM
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So sorry- you put your trust in someone who isn't ready to deserve such a precious gift.
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