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Old Nov 14, 2022, 07:33 PM
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And that's what I've got: nothing but emptiness.
Your self was buried in his detritus, but you still have it.

You still have your self.

You can now unearth it, you can now energize it, without someone constantly trying to stop you.
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Old Nov 15, 2022, 06:10 AM
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I am sure you don’t have “nothing.” I am sure you have a lot. It’s just hidden. There are a lot of things you can do that don’t involve him or in fact any men. It just takes a minute to figure it out
Thanks @divine1966. It will take me some time to figure out.

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Old Nov 15, 2022, 06:11 AM
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Your self was buried in his detritus, but you still have it.

You still have your self.

You can now unearth it, you can now energize it, without someone constantly trying to stop you.
Thanks @Bill3. It was buried and I feel still is - I am grieving over the loss of myself. Not the loss of him, but of ME.

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Old Nov 15, 2022, 06:54 AM
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In my despair, I broke down and contacted him last night to ask if his cat has recovered. It was innocent enough, but I also wanted to find out if he is dating, so I mentioned that I assumed he is dating because I haven't heard much from him and also mentioned it is fine if he is. He said no and how can he date right now, but I don't believe him - of course I don't believe him.

So I just gave him more supply and more ego boosting. I weakened and broke down.
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Old Nov 15, 2022, 07:05 AM
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I understand your feelings....my ex, not long after the divorce met a woman; they have been together for over 10 years, while I.....have no one.
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Old Nov 15, 2022, 07:07 AM
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I understand your feelings....my ex, not long after the divorce met a woman; they have been together for over 10 years, while I.....have no one.
WOW - your abusive ex was able to hold onto a woman??? Naturally, she must be getting abused too - perhaps she doesn't even realize it or know what's truly happening.

This is exactly what I am afraid of - him finding someone new for a long-term relationship, and me having no one. At the same time, having no one is far better than continuing to be abused.
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Old Nov 15, 2022, 08:27 AM
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Something is seriously wrong with me. I am completely DEPLETED. I feel empty and hollow, as though all life energy and my life force has been sucked right out of me.

And it's taking every bit of strength within me to get through each work day. It's taking every ounce of strength that I have to try and still do a good job at work. I wish I could take a break or be out on disability, but I don't qualify. I need a long-term mental health break to revive myself.

I am very concerned... I don't recall ever feeling like this. Perhaps it's depression, I don't know - all I know is that my energy level is very low and I feel empty inside.
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Old Nov 15, 2022, 08:36 AM
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My sister left her abusive ex husband 9 or so times. She kept going back to him. She was married to him for 20 years. He didn’t work and lived off my sister the whole time. I think it’s common for women to go back to their abusers.
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Old Nov 15, 2022, 09:06 AM
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Have Hope, the right one will be out there for you, please heal from what he did first though so you don't attract more nasties
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Old Nov 15, 2022, 09:19 AM
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Old Nov 15, 2022, 11:58 AM
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My sister left her abusive ex husband 9 or so times. She kept going back to him. She was married to him for 20 years. He didn’t work and lived off my sister the whole time. I think it’s common for women to go back to their abusers.
The average is 8 times, if you can believe it! I am not going back, no matter what it takes and no matter how much strength it takes.
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Old Nov 15, 2022, 11:58 AM
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Have Hope, the right one will be out there for you, please heal from what he did first though so you don't attract more nasties
I hear you and 100% agree!
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Old Nov 15, 2022, 11:59 AM
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Old Nov 15, 2022, 12:02 PM
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So, my husband's cat has developed feline herpes - I mentioned it before. He told me it was due to stress. Today, he tells me again that it's due to stress and that this is what the vet told him. I looked it up. Feline Herpes develops from contact with contaminated viral particles. Symptoms can return and be revived due to stress, but stress does not cause the infection. So, once again, my husband is twisting the truth in order to try and make me feel guilty for separating - yet another manipulation tactic.
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Old Nov 15, 2022, 01:05 PM
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HaveHope, You are grieving, for so many reasons. The symptoms are all so familiar to me.

I do know for a fact that grief and depression share many similar symptoms. If you find your mild state of depression doesn't lift within a few weeks, you should consider seeing a doctor about it. Situational depression happens, and it's not usually as severe or as long-lasting as major depressive disorder. But, while you're in the midst of it, it can be a small hell. So please, do not beat yourself up if this turns out to be the case.

The sooner you seek assistance, the sooner you will feel better.

It's such an anxiety-provoking time to be alive right now; it's no wonder that lately, the numbers have been on the rise for depression and anxiety.

Try to resist giving him any opportunity to be nasty to you in any way, even in his little subtle ways. You are very vulnerable right now.
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Old Nov 15, 2022, 02:36 PM
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Re the herpes - that kind of manipulation is just evil and moronic. Hes assuming you are too stupid to look it up. Or HE is! Either way, you dont want that in your life, do you? This REALLY reminds me of my first H and my family. Dont buy into another person's moronic world view. We were forced to buy in when we were children, but no more. Fill in that space with YOUR values. It will keep you company.
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Old Nov 15, 2022, 03:04 PM
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We had separated for 6 months and he moved out in November of 2020. There was an infidelity on top of abuse, so I kicked him out. He promised he would go to therapy with me and individual therapy for himself to make things right and to work on himself. He had owned up to the abusive behaviors, so I thought there may be a chance.

We got back together in June 2021, and he moved back in in March/April 2022.

There was a big fight in April that he started, which planted yet another seed of doubt. But we got past it and it was smooth sailing from May-August. Then in late Aug/Sept he started initiating fights with me - many fights, at lease once per week. He got nasty in these fights, called me names, insulted me, demeaned me, used gaslighting, projections, blame and accusations.

After the 5th or so fight, I decided I could not trust him to not be abusive. Therapy was a total waste, and he wasn't putting in true effort - he was only trying to appease me, I realized much later. He hadn't changed - not much and not enough. More broken promises, and I had had enough.

So, I've called it quits again and we are officially separated in the home. We are stuck together until one of us is able to move out, and our lease doesn't end until June. One of us being able to move out is complicated.

I am kicking myself for letting him move back in, and for letting this a-hole back into my life for a second time. I am very frustrated and am angry at myself for wanting to believe in him again, especially when his words are just that - only words and empty promises.

How do I forgive myself for doing this yet again? Now we have to go through the separation and moving process a second time. I cannot seem to forgive myself and I think mostly that I was being seriously stupid, acting on emotion vs logic.

How do I get past this self blame and guilt?
Just be happy that your out of that relationship though, but I can relate to this, I was never married though but I'm telling you you're not alone in this. I once had to deal with going back to a partner over and over again because I loved him and he always promised me that he'd changed. For years I used to blame myself for it. It takes a lot of effort and self-healing but I feel like you're on the right step and moving forward with your life. At first, I know it's going to be hard and you'll have a lot of self-doubt in yourself but you are a strong person, and I believe in you. I don't know you at all, but as an abused victim, I'm telling you that you got this!

I always took back my boyfriend due to so many emotions going through me at the time, and he would always go back to his ways proving me wrong once again, that he never did change, when he told me he did change. I think it's common for abusers to say that to win back the person. Continue to stay strong! Send me a message if you'd ever like to talk.
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Old Nov 15, 2022, 03:54 PM
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I STILL have nightmares (altho not recently?) that ive reconciled with one of the 3 major ex's, then they do something to make me realize i cant stay with them. That realization is absolutely the worst feeling.

Now i think i have the dream when im falling back into an old bad habit in general. But the sheer terror of being back with them is suffocating.
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Old Nov 16, 2022, 06:41 AM
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HaveHope, You are grieving, for so many reasons. The symptoms are all so familiar to me.

I do know for a fact that grief and depression share many similar symptoms. If you find your mild state of depression doesn't lift within a few weeks, you should consider seeing a doctor about it. Situational depression happens, and it's not usually as severe or as long-lasting as major depressive disorder. But, while you're in the midst of it, it can be a small hell. So please, do not beat yourself up if this turns out to be the case.

The sooner you seek assistance, the sooner you will feel better.

It's such an anxiety-provoking time to be alive right now; it's no wonder that lately, the numbers have been on the rise for depression and anxiety.

Try to resist giving him any opportunity to be nasty to you in any way, even in his little subtle ways. You are very vulnerable right now.
Thanks @MuseumGhost.

It could be depression or just plain old depletion. I am already on anti depressant meds at a therapeutic dose. I don't want to increase my dosage at this point, but I suppose I could if this continues on for weeks.

I think it makes sense that I feel depleted and exhausted by all that's going on. And, I have to work on top of it all - full time.

I am very vulnerable - I will shut down any convos that turn nasty. Yesterday wasn't nasty, but he did lie or stretch the truth about the cat's illness.
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Old Nov 16, 2022, 06:42 AM
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Re the herpes - that kind of manipulation is just evil and moronic. Hes assuming you are too stupid to look it up.
I know, right?!? Of course I'm going to look it up and read up on it!!! What an idiot.
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Old Nov 16, 2022, 06:47 AM
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Just be happy that your out of that relationship though, but I can relate to this, I was never married though but I'm telling you you're not alone in this. I once had to deal with going back to a partner over and over again because I loved him and he always promised me that he'd changed. For years I used to blame myself for it. It takes a lot of effort and self-healing but I feel like you're on the right step and moving forward with your life. At first, I know it's going to be hard and you'll have a lot of self-doubt in yourself but you are a strong person, and I believe in you. I don't know you at all, but as an abused victim, I'm telling you that you got this!

I always took back my boyfriend due to so many emotions going through me at the time, and he would always go back to his ways proving me wrong once again, that he never did change, when he told me he did change. I think it's common for abusers to say that to win back the person. Continue to stay strong! Send me a message if you'd ever like to talk.
Thank you, @Amethyst_Stargazer.

It's very common for abuse victims to return, and it's always the same story. They love bomb you and make empty promises that they never intend on fulfilling, but we believe them, or want to, and take them back - again and again. I wrote above that the average is 8 times to leave an abuser. It's taken me 3 times.

And thanks so much for your offer. Much appreciated.
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Old Nov 16, 2022, 06:49 AM
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I STILL have nightmares (altho not recently?) that ive reconciled with one of the 3 major ex's, then they do something to make me realize i cant stay with them. That realization is absolutely the worst feeling
It IS the worst feeling in the world - and then, to have to deal with getting them out of your life is very difficult, even when you know it's right.
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Old Nov 16, 2022, 11:44 AM
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Plane is going to crash, mom is being forced fed, herpes in cats is caused by stress. He doesn’t give up and he tags on your heart strings. So annoying
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Plane is going to crash, mom is being forced fed, herpes in cats is caused by stress. He doesn’t give up and he tags on your heart strings. So annoying
It is VERY annoying!!!
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Old Nov 16, 2022, 05:11 PM
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In so many ways , though, you are on to him. He's out of your physical space. Soon, he will be out of your thoughts, I guarantee it. It will take a while and it will happen in stages. But it WILL happen.

You have done so well throughout this painful ordeal. You've found very positive and helpful support resources, and you're no longer in the dark about his true nature. These things are really very important!

I have every faith that you will be fine. Give it all some time.
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