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#151
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We’re all wired to react differently that way. Some people fight, some flee, some freeze. Obviously I froze. I thought I already stated that I probably made the wrong assumptions. I didn’t keep insisting that he wanted me to go backstage with him anymore. I thought that was the case at first, but it’s not. And everything else was a wrong assumption too probably. |
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#153
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Well to all honesty since you didn’t see/can’t remember what happened exactly, it might be best to move on from this event. It also might be best to not accuse people of assault if you didn’t see or/and don’t remember what exactly they did. Time to focus on the present.
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#154
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#155
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I haven’t read anyone calling you delusional. Just that your perceptions and assumptions are not seeming to be based on facts.
You spend lots of time trying to figure out what people were thinking or why they did something, but that’s just not something that can be answered. Instead, focus on what you can do differently to elicit more positive interactions with people. I mean, the only person we really can control is ourself. Someone suggested working (or training toward working) doing something that is interesting for you. It’s an idea. Building your own skills and interests will perhaps help you feel more comfortable in your own life and open doors for meeting people who share your interests. Gaining that level of independence should help your confidence too. Those types of changes will gain you that interpersonal respect you are looking for. |
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#156
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Also it does happen to other people. Several people on this thread brought up examples of extreme behaviors they personally witnessed during concerts. Behaviors very similar to what you witnessed. Does it make it normal? No. But it happens |
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#157
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I never said you were delusional. I said it is a made up story in your head. There’s no evidence that he asked you back stage, yet you claimed this. There’s no evidence that he felt rejected by you, Yet you claimed this. Yes, these are false assumptions and imagined scenarios. But I never used the word delusional or called you delusional. I think however that you do exaggerate details and assume a lot of false things, ie that it was an assault, that he felt rejected so he did that to you, that he asked you back stage. None of this is supported by any evidence. I don’t mean to sound harsh and I know you said you feel judged. I’m not judging. I’m observing and am reflecting these observations back to you.
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#158
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Agreed. It is rude. I would have felt the same way. Just want to also validate how you felt.
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"Twenty-five years and my life is still trying to get up that great big hill of hope for a destination" ~4 Non Blondes |
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On a previous post. Sorry if I misunderstood what you said.
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#160
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Thanks. It was very rude & inappropriate.
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#161
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No doubt about that. Very rude
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#162
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You called yourself delusional in the first post 141 on this thread. Maybe that was a carryover from a previous thread.
ETA - You also said it about a friend of yours in a previous thread, but just once. It looks this thread has all the occurrences. |
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You can’t base your self-esteem on others’ behaviours or reactions. Self-esteem has to grow or be repair from the inner. We can’t depend so much on what happens outside. If we would do so, we were like leaves moved by the wind. Our mood would depend on what others may think or react with us. And even worse, would depend on the reasons why we may think the other person is acting the way they are. Most of the time, a wrong assumption because people make mistakes, there are misunderstandings, we have all our mood at different moments, circumstances, our beliefs (maybe the rock star believed he was only being cool, making a role at the stage) who knows. I’ve been to a concert where the group began to insult the audience and the audience threw them tins, plastic bowls and all. They then, returned these to the audience. And they were a very famous band. It’s very important that your next therapy work with you this point about how to repair self-esteem and also, help you with mentalizing so you will be able to reach a better comprehension of your own behaviour and people’s one. Mentalization-based therapy (MBT) Hope you find it helpful.
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Social Anxiety and Depression. Cluster C traits. Trying to improve my English. My apologies for errors and mistakes in advance. Mankind is complex: Make deserts blossom and lakes die. ( GIL SCOTT-HERSON) |
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I think the most helpful thing that can come out of this thread for you @jesyka is noticing your reactions, which are happening in the here and now and not in 2000 while under the influence, right here to us on the thread. For instance, you thought that people considered you a slut and a groupie. You thought that someone called you delusional. Yet, these things did not happen. So this is how you imagination works and then you believe that other people treat you very badly. I believe this explains many of your posts. Not only do you think that in 2000 the rock star was vengeful, and he most likely wasn't but you cannot ask him, but right now you thought that you were considered delusional and a slut. And here on the thread you can verify whether what you believe is true. You can go up the thread and see if you can find written evidence. You can ask people whether they indeed believe what you are ascribing and attributing to them. You can reality check, right here. And hopefully this will lead to some learnings which you can then apply IRL.
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#166
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I still want to go out, so I’m overthinking things now on how to avoid being targeted again. A friend & I nhave ticketscto see two different bands in October. We’re going to a club next month too. Her & I have only had one issue with some weird lady who tried to stop me from taking pics of this band one time. I told her to stop touching me & to get out of my fave or I’d have security kick her out. She then went to talk to my friend & said something about the flash & helping me. I didn’t see any signs up. Weird! God, I’m a freak magnet, ugh! lol At least I wasn’t sexually harassed! So far all I was able to come with is this: Be more aware of who is around me Don’t drink to much Don’t talk to anyone Don’t ever stand upfront. I stay all the way in the back now. Don’t ever go anywhere alone Don’t ever try to meet anyone famous again. Move if someone is being creepy. Get a bouncer to kick out anyone who bothers me immediately. |
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How’d you come to these conclusions?
Don’t talk to anyone Don’t ever stand upfront. I stay all the way in the back now. Don’t ever go anywhere alone Don’t ever try to meet anyone famous again.
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#168
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The reason I posted my last message was not to elicit a quick apology from you @jesyka but to invite you to explore how, when and why you came to misunderstand posters on your thread and to learn from that exploration patterns that have repeatedly led you to misunderstand ppl IRL.
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#169
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Although touching is uncalled for, I don’t see how it’s weird to tell you to stop taking pics with flash. There shouldn’t be any signs about it. It’s just a given. They are working on stage and flash distracts snd blinds them. She was absolutely correct. No need to threaten her with kicking her out or being rude. You could politely ask her to step aside and acknowledge that you made a mistake with picture taking.
No need to stop talking to people or stop going places. I think the first topic with therapist could be why you misinterpret what people say and do online and in person and how to improve. Constantly misunderstanding people leads to much suffering on your part |
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#170
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I just think it’s me keeping myself safe.
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#171
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That’s rude. She made me uncomfortable by violating my personal space. |
#172
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To me, in my experience, the case you mentioned recently with the woman touching you when you we’re taking photos - was it a loud environment and she was trying to get your attention? I’m not trying to excuse her behaviour but explain it.
I think you can take sensible precautions to stay safe and feel okay about being out but ultimately it’s about handling the situations when they occur. Unless we stay home all the time then random unexpected things can and will happen. |
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#173
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To be noted: bouncers will only kick out those who are violating some sort of club policy. Rudeness does not get a person kicked out of a club. Violence yes, fighting, harassing the staff, obvious sexual harassment, or anything else that is deemed unacceptable by the club. People don't get kicked out by bouncers simply for bothering or annoying another patron. I've had people try to block my camera or tell me to turn off my camera light. Yes, it's annoying but I'm not going to threaten going to the bouncer about it. If she briefly touched you, yes, she violated your personal space, but that is not going to get her kicked out of the club. Now if she started physically manhandling you, punched you, kicked you, bit you, or pulled your hair to start a fight, then yes, you could complain to staff. But not in your case. And I agree with others. You don't need to always stand in the back, not talk to anyone, and not drink. You can drink responsibly, talk to whomever you want while being prudent, and you can dance up front if you wish. Since you will be with a girlfriend next time, or the next few times, you two can be safety buddies, looking out for each other. I think the point people were trying to make is that because you WERE alone this last time , kind of drunk, AND up front dancing by yourself, it put you into a more vulnerable position. But you don't need to go to the opposite extremes. You can still have fun, and it's great that next time, you will be with a friend.
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"Twenty-five years and my life is still trying to get up that great big hill of hope for a destination" ~4 Non Blondes |
#174
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I’m not an expert, but it seems you have some deficit in your reasoning abilities. You take it to an all or nothing place, very child-like, saying since X happened and caused a bad experience, then you will never do X in any shape or form again.
That’s just not true. It wasn’t that you did the thing, it was more subtle factors that happened that one time when doing the thing. I feel like I and others have exhausted ourselves trying to explain subtle, gray areas and you see only black and white.
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#175
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You keep saying you are shy and timid but shy and timid people don’t respond in aggression. You could respond by saying you aren’t comfortable with being touched and you appreciate her not to, but you understand about the pictures. Telling someone to get out your face and you’ll call bouncers is unnecessary confrontational and sure is t shy and timid behavior |
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