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Old Feb 16, 2018, 12:32 PM
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(((Growly))) wow. Sounds like he was not handling the day well at all, and was acting out. Wtf. I think you got a hint of what it would be like to be involved with him. He let you know passively aggressively (and quite angrily) that no one will ever meet his lofty ideals or needs.
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Old Feb 16, 2018, 12:47 PM
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Thursday's video visit. Mostly just talked about my work week, my struggles through this winter, and my stupid transference. I feel like she is also just holding on until I can start getting back to "my life" after all the surgeries and medical set backs. For the most it was a "lighter" session for us - which is good as it was a video visit and the purpose was to just keep a connection. She did not take my book with her so she could not read it to me. I had wrote about it but we never talked about it. She said she didn't want to go all rogue and take it out of the office. I had the copy have checked out from the library. I started saying the story from memory, then got stuck, so I pulled it out and showed her. I joked about being able to show her my house. That is a weird thought, that I could have walked her through my house. I kind of want to at the same time it feel too .... I don't know, not like I keep much from her. Just feels uncomfortable, so I didn't.

She was wearing a winter coat and that through me off some, was distracting. I am glad she was able, willing, and encouraged the contact. It has been a very difficult winter for me and I've been struggle a lot with identity and existence.
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Old Feb 16, 2018, 01:49 PM
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I have an emergency session tonight. We talked in the phone a little bit. He says he never said he was disgusted by that woman’s gesture just that she crossed a boundary. I still sensed contempt and disgust from him. He says don’t tell him how he felt. He seemed angry that I somehow am “discounting” the above and beyond things he has done for me Now I am worried that he will take those things away. He said he knows now not to talk about other clients with me. Trash talking then yeah we both agree. I feel really sick right now. The call and the emergency session should be signs of caring? Why do I feel like he is screwing with my emotions? I want to trust that he cares but I. Feeling paranoid that he’s trying to hurt me.
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Old Feb 16, 2018, 01:58 PM
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I have an emergency session tonight. We talked in the phone a little bit. He says he never said he was disgusted by that woman’s gesture just that she crossed a boundary. I still sensed contempt and disgust from him. He says don’t tell him how he felt. He seemed angry that I somehow am “discounting” the above and beyond things he has done for me Now I am worried that he will take those things away. He said he knows now not to talk about other clients with me. Trash talking then yeah we both agree. I feel really sick right now. The call and the emergency session should be signs of caring? Why do I feel like he is screwing with my emotions? I want to trust that he cares but I. Feeling paranoid that he’s trying to hurt me.
((GC)) It sounds like he’s being garden variety defensive because you hit a nerve.

I wouldn’t take it on myself.

You’ve had a decent relationship with him and he’s shown genuine signs of caring from all I can tell — I’d consider this a moment to recognize he’s messed up himself and take it from there? I’m going with the assumption here that you really don’t want to quit etc.
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Old Feb 16, 2018, 02:00 PM
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I don't like his behaviour I'm afraid growly. I think part of the problem with above and beyond stuff in therapy is that it can make it more difficult to call a therapist out when they do something wrong. You can feel like you owe them, or fear having it taken away as you've described. I don't know that it is consciously manipulative, but on some level it is manipulative all the same. You do not owe him anything, and I can completely understand your fears.
It sounds like he his totally failing in his responsibility to your emotional wellbeing here. He should be trying to see it from your point of view. "Don't tell me how I felt" seems very passive aggressive and defensive. It sounds like you are expressing how it felt for you and that is valid and he needs to hear that.
Hugs growly. I'm sorry he's being such a jack@ss about it.
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Old Feb 16, 2018, 02:01 PM
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I have an emergency session tonight. We talked in the phone a little bit. He says he never said he was disgusted by that woman’s gesture just that she crossed a boundary. I still sensed contempt and disgust from him. He says don’t tell him how he felt. He seemed angry that I somehow am “discounting” the above and beyond things he has done for me Now I am worried that he will take those things away. He said he knows now not to talk about other clients with me. Trash talking then yeah we both agree. I feel really sick right now. The call and the emergency session should be signs of caring? Why do I feel like he is screwing with my emotions? I want to trust that he cares but I. Feeling paranoid that he’s trying to hurt me.
Wait...isn't he the one who crossed the boundary by accepting the candy? It takes two to tango, etc., and the therapist is the one leading the dance.

And "he knows now not to talk about other clients with me"? That's really not the issue. He shouldn't be discussing them in detail at all. I've had therapists mention other clients to me a couple of times, but never critically. And then how do you know he's not talking about you to other clients?

Really sorry, growly. I hope it works out, somehow. I might be breaking up with Info tonight, so I sympathize.
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Old Feb 16, 2018, 02:02 PM
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(((Growly))) its funny, its like hes been having all these feelings that he has NOT been telling you about, and now hes blaming you for not knowing that of course thats how he feels and he assumed you knew? But he never validated anything. Until yesterday, and even then only weirdly. Wtf.

I think i need to say that to my t, btw!
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Old Feb 16, 2018, 02:39 PM
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I have an emergency session tonight. We talked in the phone a little bit. He says he never said he was disgusted by that woman’s gesture just that she crossed a boundary. I still sensed contempt and disgust from him. He says don’t tell him how he felt. He seemed angry that I somehow am “discounting” the above and beyond things he has done for me Now I am worried that he will take those things away. He said he knows now not to talk about other clients with me. Trash talking then yeah we both agree. I feel really sick right now. The call and the emergency session should be signs of caring? Why do I feel like he is screwing with my emotions? I want to trust that he cares but I. Feeling paranoid that he’s trying to hurt me.
Oh yikes- tense times. This is when The T's have to show their professionalism, bc I think they get "triggered" when a special client, or one for whom they feel they go above and beyond,, presents a criticism. I just went through a six week high stakes spiral with my T, and when I finally said I felt like he is daring me to quit, was when the T in him prevailed over the human with hurt feelings, and he called it off. I feel like he really , really cares about you, so I hope the conflict doesn't take on a life of its own and spiral out of control.
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Old Feb 16, 2018, 03:49 PM
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This points to a benefit of recording sessions. It's not why I do it, but it really helps to listen later, when I'm in a different state, and see if that's what was said or not. If he's gaslighting you, that is so not okay. The way he responded by saying he knows now not to talk about other clients? Um, he should have known when he was in T school not to do that.

As an aside, I don't see giving leftover office candy to a therapist as particularly boundary busting.

Sorry, but he's going to have work a lot harder to make this okay for me. (That was a joke.) (Not really.)
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Old Feb 16, 2018, 03:52 PM
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I am processing it:

AesB,

I suspect that what has happened here is that her denial has triggered
the same emotions that get triggered when your family does the same:
insist that nothing you remember ever happened (those scars from a
knife would were always there, etc. etc. and we were always one big
happy family).

All you can do at this point is go back to believing in you, and
recognizing that others will do whatever they need to do to protect
themselves (mostly from themselves). She can't face seeing herself as
someone who would, in essence, cheat to get her state license and so she
insists it never happened. Protecting her self-image is far more
important to her than considering how her actions may affect you.
Family dynamic again.

Have to remind yourself: it's not about you. I like your hypothesis:
let's not XX and then I won't have to face her. Makes sense to
me. Now you just have to accept that you don't need to do that (avoid
her) because you are no longer the same person who did not say no to
her previously. If you so choose, when you see her you can let her
know how you are affected by her 'lack of memory' - and you don't have
to choose that if you don't wish. You just see her for what she is and
let her be. What she chooses to believe, or insist upon, does not
change who you are, or what actually happened.

So, once again - take back your power over you and don't give it to
people like her. She does not get to drive your life off the rails,
not any longer.

Wishing you a wonderful ... and productive ... day.

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Old Feb 16, 2018, 04:51 PM
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Drank a couple glasses of wine at our team lunch knowing I had therapy right after.

Always a s*** idea.

20-something part hijacked nearly the entire session talking about work and our previous life as an industry analyst -- 20-something is EVERYONE'S favorite part, and 13-y.o. apparently hates the s*** out of her bc I felt that wrath all the way home.

Sent C 2...scratch that, 3, stupid emails already. Hate everything. Therapy was stupid, and I don't even remember it, and just whatever.

**** life. **** everything. bye.
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Old Feb 16, 2018, 04:51 PM
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Growly--
Good luck tonight, ugh, the more I read of this, the sadder I am, we are in similar boats so of course now I fear stuff like this going on with me.

I don't blame you at all for your reactions, probably what most of us would have



As for my Texting session today, was pretty lame. He was distracted, cut it short and took ages to reply, not typical,but can't complain since it's free and he doesn't have to do it at all. Just hope its better next time.
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Old Feb 16, 2018, 05:35 PM
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As an aside, I don't see giving leftover office candy to a therapist as particularly boundary busting.
I thought it was hostile: "Im giving you leftovers."

His talking about it certainly breaks boundaries: "I disappoint other women too. I hate myself but i will take it out on you."

He should definitely call his t.
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Old Feb 16, 2018, 07:07 PM
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I thought it was hostile: "Im giving you leftovers."

His talking about it certainly breaks boundaries: "I disappoint other women too. I hate myself but i will take it out on you."

He should definitely call his t.
That occurred to me as well. Or... maybe that lady has warm feelings about him. And at the first sign of rejection “well, it was just leftover from work”.

I would backpedal too if it saved me pain and humiliation. Aedop’s fable fox and the grapes. Grapes must have sucked anyways
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Old Feb 16, 2018, 07:38 PM
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growlycat, thanks for the hug. I hope you can straighten things out with your therapist. Unfortunately, none of them are perfect and some of the things they say are not what we need or want to hear. it can be maddening.
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Old Feb 16, 2018, 07:47 PM
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That occurred to me as well. Or... maybe that lady has warm feelings about him. And at the first sign of rejection “well, it was just leftover from work”.

I would backpedal too if it saved me pain and humiliation. Aedop’s fable fox and the grapes. Grapes must have sucked anyways
Yeah! Geez, things just happen at a million miles an hour in session. Does it twist this way or that? Each nuance presents a different choice. Woebot my butt (for those who remember the Crunchbird!).
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Old Feb 16, 2018, 08:28 PM
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Growly, I read your recent post about Kashi's "real" personality and I am just thinking that perhaps you actually do experience his messy behaviors quite often. Probably it is just not an issue usually as it is positive for you, but all those things about the above and beyond behaviors, self-disclosures etc might reflect that he has a tendency to "forget" being a T and he crosses conventional T boundaries often. Even the candy, why did he accept it if he thought it was creepy and a boundary crossing by the client? It sounds like he was pretty moody and temperamental in your last session and it probably has nothing to do with you. It is so frustrating when a client needs emergency sessions just to sort out the T's BS and screw up, they should at least not charge for it. I hope the session tonight went better and he at least admits that the comment on the other client was inappropriate.
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Old Feb 16, 2018, 09:04 PM
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In session today I told my therapist I didn't feel like she cared much about me or what I did, she asked me if I felt she listened which I said I did. She said she shows care by listening (which...isn't that her job? lol) either way I asked her if she was annoyed and she said she wasn't, she wanted to discuss further what care would look like etc.
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Old Feb 16, 2018, 09:58 PM
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I will write most likely tomorrow about my session. He acknowledged that saying negative things about another patient was not demonstrating good boundaries. An emotional session that started with emotional numbness. I’m exhausted. I think we fixed this?
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Old Feb 17, 2018, 05:03 AM
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So, Info yesterday.

She knew I was angry at her because I’d sent her an email Wednesday saying so and saying why. So she starts by thanking me for coming in to resolve things ( ). Then she compliments my hair (pulled back, not free like usual).

Obvious attempts to placate me out of the way, we start talking about the email. One of the two big things I was angry about was that two sessions ago we spent the whole time on my hearing and I thought she had learned something about how to best communicate with me. But the next session she was back to the old habits that led to having that conversation in the first place: not speaking clearly, not orienting herself so she was facing me straight-on, etc.

It was during this that I punched a chair. It wasn’t so much because of her as because of what her failure to adapt was symptomatic of: the way the rest of the hearing world treats people who don’t hear. She didn’t react negatively to the punch and asked if my hand was all right.

Then we moved on to the second topic: specifically how she kept pushing me to have a three-way meeting with No. 3 last fall. And an even bigger deal to me, my discovery on Tuesday night when I was clearing my email tracking history that it looked like 3 had forwarded an email of mine to her. I did authorize them to talk. I did not authorize them to exchange anything else. Whether or not it’s a legal violation of confidentiality, it feels like one—plus I should have been told about it. Now it’s pretty clear by now 3 has never met a boundary she didn’t want to run down with an eighteen-wheeler and then back up over for good measure, so par for the course for her, but I have repeatedly asked Info to tell me when she acts on permission to consult, and she agreed.

Now she put on a fine display of therapist obfuscation. First she didn’t remember if she’d been forwarded the email (believable, since she is a giant flake), she didn’t think so, and said she would look through her emails to be sure. Why she hadn’t already done that I don’t know. Then I pointed out to her that she had in fact mentioned back in December that I had emailed 3 on this topic, the first session after I sent that email. (At the time I assumed 3 had mentioned it, not forwarded a whole email. Even then, the evening Info mentioned that, I canceled their permission to talk to each other.) She said she must have known about the email because I told her...nope, I know for sure I didn’t mention it, because it wasn’t relevant to Info imo. (It was like in a mystery where the murderer’s identity is revealed because he knows some detail the police have held back.) Then she started to argue that my permission for them to communicate covered anything they thought was relevant, at which point I snapped back that if that were true their permission forms wouldn’t have little boxes to check off saying what they could and couldn’t share. Parts of a client’s file is a separate check box from consultation. And that neither of them offered a disclaimer about the confidentiality of email in their paperweight rk or at the end if their emails. She said that was open to interpretation, and I snapped back yeah, you guys use that same excuse, it’s open to interpretation, when you violate “first do no harm.” And then broke down crying at the thought of past harm to me. Which at least stopped the therapist obfuscation.

After that I think we talked about therapist harm to me. We didn’t really resolve anything, and she didn’t apologize for anything. So I’m planning to bring up the email again next week.

Right now, she just looks like another giant therapist flake who tries to do at a client whatever crosses her mind at the time without thought of consequences or a plan, assured she can always come up with an excuse if things go wrong.
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Old Feb 17, 2018, 07:15 AM
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I've been incredibly raw since my last session, but I think I'm finally in a place to talk about it, and I like the In Session thread because it's a way for me to go back and refer to things later. I'm going to trigger code the whole thing because it's going to be long, and TW for a ton of things.

Possible trigger:
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Old Feb 17, 2018, 07:31 AM
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Oh Daisy, that sounds like an emotional marathon. I don't agree with how Bubbles handled the situation; it seems like you got cornered.

I wrote a really long response, but I don't know how to "hide" the part that might be a trigger to others?
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Old Feb 17, 2018, 07:43 AM
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Oh Daisy, that sounds like an emotional marathon. I don't agree with how Bubbles handled the situation; it seems like you got cornered.

I wrote a really long response, but I don't know how to "hide" the part that might be a trigger to others?
Type [.TRIGGER.]Text you want to hide [./TRIGGER.] without my dots.

Daisy, I hope you're as kind to yourself as possibly. Your session sounds so rough and difficult.
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Daisy, that sounds awful. I think he overreacted. I'm not sure I would be able to trust him after that. Wasn't this only your second or third session with him?
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Old Feb 17, 2018, 10:50 AM
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Holy carp, daisy.

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