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I handled my T's workshop and lecture fine. But seeing her in "Real Life" today was challenging and triggering. I know why. She was with her family, and I saw her put her hand through her grandson's hair, in an affectionate manner. I had never seen her with her grandchildren before, though I saw photos of them. I asked her their names and she told me. But that was about all of our conversation and I felt like my heart was going to break.
I have grandchildren of my own. I wasn't jealous of my T. I know it was transference--old feelings from the past. I wanted to be that little boy. Am I pathetic? I see why it's really difficult to see one's T outside of therapy. Seeing her almost ruined my whole day, but I discussed it with my friend who knows her. After that I felt better, but I still feel the ache of longing. I don't know how else to describe it. I don't want to tell my T because I have to be able to cope with seeing her at times. It's unavoidable. I am going to be seeing her for therapy every 4 months except for emergency sessions. This is not an emergency, but it hurts. Any suggestions for what to tell myself or do? I feel better, but I can't get that picture of her with the kids, out of my mind! I was recently with my own grandchildren, but with my T, I want to be the child. It's an old feeling, so how am I supposed to cope with it? |
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I'm here with you, Rainbow. Unfortunately, I have no time to respond.
![]() I'm sorry that you felt triggered. Maybe your H could hold you? I hope so. You sound like you could use some comforting. ![]() ![]() |
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Sometimes when I am having painful feelings, I feel like I want to "do" something to make them go away...when what I really need to do is just sit with them, acknowledge them, feel them, and let them recede in their own time. When I am in pain, I feel like I will feel like that FOREVER if I don't "do" something...but it has never, ever lasted forever. I wonder if you just need to let yourself grieve a bit? Perhaps you are feeling old feelings - a longing to be seen, and accepted, and loved by someone who is unavailable. That HURTS. I was in SO much pain in my session last Thursday. It sounds dramatic now, but I almost didn't think I would survive it...it felt that bad. T did not try to make me feel better. He just sat with me, and witnessed what I was going through. I knew he was sad that I had to feel so much pain, but he let me feel it. I think that is part of the process of healing these deep, old wounds...to know that the pain is there, and to let ourselves feel it. For me, the more I run away from it, the tighter it hangs on. Maybe you could be extra gentle with yourself. Make yourself some tea or hot chocolate and let yourself curl up under a soft blanket and read a book or watch a funny movie. Give the hurt part of yourself a little bit of what you wish T would give her ![]() I don't know if this is helpful at all....it's just my experience. I'm sorry you are in pain. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Thanks, Brightheart. I'm going to work on asking my H. for comforting. I tried to explain how I felt to him, but he, as usual, didn't respond to me in a comforting way. His words sounded loud and critical to me, and made me feel ashamed of my feelings for my T. But he will hug me when I ask, so I need to ask him more, and see if that helps.
Yes, tree. What you wrote is very helpful. My inclination is to DO something to make the pain go away. In the past I would call my T, but I know that she can't make it go away. It hurts so much to feel it, and not run. It makes me realize that I've got to live with this, and that's it's real. I've been trying to deny that I could feel so bad because it doesn't make sense. I was a wanted baby, and loved. So, whether it's due to being a preemie, or just the way my brain is wired, or a combination, I've got to accept that the pain is real. I don't have to justify why I feel it. I just DO. Knowing that it's old pain is something I want to remember because I don't want to lash out at my T. It's not her fault. In a way, I felt like my observing her being affectionate with her family was intrusive. She wasn't there in her T role, so I had no business being so interested in her. The pain is mine, not hers. Thanks, tree. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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((Rainbow))
![]() I know exactly what you are going through. I recently ran into my OLD T about 3 weeks ago. She gave a presentation at a staff meeting that I had to attend. Since I didn't get a chance to talk to her at the event because she left immediately after her presentation, i sent her an email. I was just and update and a thank you... I have yet to hear back from her. Since then, I just have a sour taste in my mouth for therapist, even my current T. I felt like I didn't matter and so unimportant. My current T has also mentioned her children from time to time as well. I always get this numbing feeling in the pit of my stomach and sadness in my heart for what I will never have. I've been able to just sit with those feelings and know that they come and go, but won't last forever. |
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I think it's also okay to know that your T is human too. And maybe this was a reminder of this as well. It's very challenging seeing your therapist in public, I agree. So many emotions...The first time I saw old T in public it felt as if I had been completely exposed to the entire world. I couldn't handle the intensity of my feelings and ran away. ![]() I hope your H is more supportive from here on out. ![]() ![]() |
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I wish I had words of wisdom for you. I can offer only hugs.... ![]() I love you, Rainbow ![]() |
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Thank you for the replies. I am fighting the urge to call my T to tell her how I felt. I always want to do that, maybe so I could have that connection JUST FOR ME again. I am a hopeless therapy addict. I would never be ready to quit therapy because I want that attention all the time no matter whom I get it from in my life apart from therapy.
It's like I have to get rid of the last interaction by creating a new one that's more to my liking. Does that make sense? I want to call so I will feel attached again. In RL with her grandkids, I was separate from her. I don't want to be regressing, though. I know I'm separate from her. BlueMoon, it is very hard to get rid of the image of her with her hand around her grandson's neck and hair. It's like the last scene of a movie where the credits come on. I've got to change the picture, but part of me doesn't want to. Why would that be? Do I want to hurt myself? There's something important about this trigger, and I need to find it. It's about the attention, and T knows I always want her complete attention. I didn't get it in RLfrom her because I didn't pay for it. I got SOME of it, which is usually good enough, but not this time when it's a movie scene!!!! ![]() I didn't want attention as a child, but I did underneath. When you're shy you get ignored a lot. I don't know. I wanted attention, but I didn't. This is SO confusing. I'm sure I discussed it in therapy at some point, so why can't I let it go already? I've got more important stuff to focus on right now; my brain can't handle this stress from the past, and I'm just rambling on and on for no reason. |
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Rainbow, it sounds like a lot of feelings are being triggered up from the past with this incident?
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T's connection with her grandson doesn't change her connection with you, whether you call her or not. Your relationship and your connection with her are real. For ME, it goes back to not knowing what to expect every time I walked in the house as a child. There was no consistency. So, even though I might leave a "nice" mom when I left for school, I might come home to a raging, hateful mom. I never EVER knew what to expect. It's hard for me to understand that other relationships aren't like that. Someone can love me one week, and STILL love me the next week. T's feelings for me don't change because he has been with his family, or with his other clients, or because we haven't seen each other in a while. Our relationship is consistent. I think when I really understood that is when I finally felt securely attached. It seems like maybe you are afraid of being forgotten?? I know I used to feel like that with T...I liked the time between my appointments and when he would leave me my message, because I knew he couldn't forget about me during that time. After he left the message, I felt like I kind of *disappeared* for him. It wasn't a good feeling. Have you and T explored the root of where these feelings are coming from? ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Sometimes rambling on can be helpful too. ![]() ![]() |
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Sannah, you're right. A lot of feelings from the past are brought up from this incident. I always had a hard time seeing T in RL, but this is the first time I've seen her with her grandchildren. I've always been jealous when I've seen her with her daughter, though. Brightheart: The pain started when my T "ignored" me and paid attention solely to her family. I wanted her there for me. When she talked to me, I was okay. So it's when I wasn't the center of her attention anymore. Seeing her caress her grandson's hair was especially triggering also because she once mentioned that if she did that to me in therapy I wouldn't be able to tolerate it. I agree with her about that, but I did think of that when I saw her touch her grandson. I remember when we watched family movies my parents told me I used to cry because my brother is 5 yrs. older than I am, so the first 5 years I wasn't in the movies! My Dad loved to take family movies. There are plenty of me too, but not for 5 years. I asked how come I'm not in them, not understanding that I wasn't born yet. My first T actually wanted to watch my family movies during a session to see if she could find some answers, but I quit therapy before we got a chance to do that. I think a lot is also due to my wanting the attention but not knowing how to ask for it. When I was about 10, I hurt my finger but never told my parents. It must have been broken because it's still crooked. I worried about physical problems but never confided in my Mom. Yet I was attached to her. Something was wrong. I have wanted to tell my T everything and want her to be there for me like my Mom was, and wasn't. I couldn't be comforted if I didn't tell my mother what was wrong. So, I want to tell my T what is wrong all the time. But, my T does not want to mother me, so I still don't get the attention. I get 100% of her attention during a session, but only about 10% when I see her in RL. So, it seems like the trigger is that I want that 100% attention for me all of the time. My T has commented on that when I've talked about seeing her in RL other times. She said the same thing, that she is there for me 100% during the session, and that she cares about me, but she can't give me her attention all of the time. She can't fill me up like that. So, my Mom gave me the attention all of the time, but she didn't comfort me because she didn't know that I needed comforting. I guess. I'm still rambling. Maybe someone can pinpoint the core of this for me? If I call my T, I would say that I was triggered because I wanted you to pay attention to me. I didn't want to feel ignored. I wanted to be taken care of like you were taking care of your grandchildren. |
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http://family.jrank.org/pages/1486/S...n-Anxiety.html You have probably already read a lot about it. It sounds like you were not securely attached to your mom. This could be for many reasons. For you to not tell her about your finger is significant to me. You must have sensed that your mom wasn't very attentive to you or you didn't want to bother her? So did your mom give you her attention all the time? Or was it distracted attention? Or maybe she just couldn't read your anxiety or didn't know what to do about it? Was she anxious?
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Don't let your problems or the world make you feel small. Stretch your arms out over your head. Take a deep breathe. Tell yourself that you are big. You are big, not small. You always have space, you are not trapped........ I'm an ISFJ |
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For some reason your cries went unheard. Maybe a lack of emotional attunement between you and your mom? Of course she loved you, but maybe there was a difference in temperaments and response in that she didn't understand your messages and you didn't know how best to get them across. Kind of goes along with lack of attunement again. |
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Sannah: Thank you for the link to the article on separation anxiety. I definitely had problems separating from my Mom, or maybe it was that she had problems separating from me. She was a very anxious person--a worrier, and overprotective of me. So, maybe I felt that I didn't want to upset her. I don't remember feeling that way, but my daughter keeps things to herself too, as I am also a worrier, so it's likely I passed on that characteristic. There were other secrets I kept from her, things I worried about that, had I asked, I would have gotten relief instead of worrying about for years, in one case.
So, it makes sense that once I got into therapy and opened up, I wanted to spill out everything and get the comfort and attention I maybe didn't get from my Mom. Seeing my T give that comfort to her family in RL, and not to me is simply transference. Put that way, it sounds logical, doesn't it? Brightheart: What you wrote makes sense, though I think it's that my mother was too anxious to comfort me. I'm not so good at comforting my kids either. But the feeling of being left out had a lot to do with peers more than my family. You know how cruel kids can be, even if they don't mean it. I felt "invisible" sometimes. I still can't shake the feeling of wanting to talk to my T. I know she cares about me, but I want her to tell it to me. I have to write down what to say or I will be disappointed because she won't "get it." She'll just say she's sorry and she hopes it didn't ruin my whole week-end. I need more than that from her. I've got to get it just right before I call. I have to write it out, and read it to her answering machine or to her. Otherwise it will turn into small talk. That's happened the last few phone calls and I've had to accept it. |
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You mention problems with peers. If you were an anxious child you would have problems with peers. I gather from you that you are looking for that security with a therapist. Security comes from within. I recovered from anxiety. I found security. I had to build security actually. I had to understand why I was anxious first and then I went on to build security. A lot of it is triggered anxiety actually I found so when I found myself anxious I looked around and asked myself "what am I anxious about?". I had built secure surroundings so the anxiety was being triggered. So I told myself "this is triggered anxiety from the past. You have no reason to be anxious right now, relax". I worked on this over and over and every time it got better.
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Don't let your problems or the world make you feel small. Stretch your arms out over your head. Take a deep breathe. Tell yourself that you are big. You are big, not small. You always have space, you are not trapped........ I'm an ISFJ |
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That scares the crap out of me. It's no wonder my child has selective mutism.
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I still had my anxiety when my children were young. I did affect them. I have been able to reverse it, however. Once I got my anxiety under control I began to help my oldest daughter. It took a few years but we worked it out and my effects on her have been resolved...........
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Don't let your problems or the world make you feel small. Stretch your arms out over your head. Take a deep breathe. Tell yourself that you are big. You are big, not small. You always have space, you are not trapped........ I'm an ISFJ |
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My oldest daughter is 13 now and has social difficulties. My younger daughter (7) is very happy and social, but she does also have some anxieties. Her anxieties are more along the lines of fear of bees and things like that, though. It seems to run through my family. The main stressor (drinking) for me has been removed, but I'm guessing the damage had already been done. I did a lot of work on myself in therapy in part hoping that I would be able to help her. I always responded to their cries and tried to meet their needs as best as I could. It's just painful to think that I might have hurt her in any way.
Back to Rainbow then. Sorry. |
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Brightheart, we all do the best we can in any moment. You would never want to harm your children! I certainly didn't and even my mother never had this intention. There is still time for your children. Heck I was in my 30's!!!
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Don't let your problems or the world make you feel small. Stretch your arms out over your head. Take a deep breathe. Tell yourself that you are big. You are big, not small. You always have space, you are not trapped........ I'm an ISFJ |
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The thing about your finger when you were ten is so sad. Could it be you had given up? Im thinking about how it was for me and I wouldnt have said anything either. There is no use. And I dont want to be ask for caring no one is willing to give me. I would not have taken such a risk. I might as well rely on my own devices. Quote:
So, my Mom gave me the attention all of the time, but she didn't comfort me because she didn't know that I needed comforting[/quote] It doesnt sound like you were comfortable telling her that you needed comforting. And why would you be? I dont see it as little Rainbow's job to make sure mommy knows what is going on with her. I think it is your mother's job to find out and be attuned to you. Even at 10 urs old. You had been brought up to keep your hurt to yourself. |
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BlueMoon, I am too overwhelmed to comment on this right now but I thank you from the bottom of my
![]() TV shows, movies or read books about kids with emotional problems who confided in Ts, and I so much wished I had someone to confide in. |
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((((((Rainbow))))))
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((((Rainbow))) From everything you told me, your reaction to the world around you makes perfect sense to me. I love you ![]() |
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