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i am confused, right now.
what is a visual delusion? or is this another way to say visual hallucination? i am wondering because ive heard some say that BUT, ive had things actually in front of me change, like my whole environment or more than half. i have interacted with it, too, sometimes is that a visual ______ (whatever) or? also, i can sense people that i know in real life (in reality), it feels like they are really there when they arent physically with me, so i talk to them. i do not see them but i could swear they are there. i believe they are watching me. i cant see them but they see me. comparable to if i was locked in a room and there was a camera in the corner. the person, may not be there and may not talk, but i KNOW they see me, I KNOW they are there and watching, listening, observing. you know? i swear i know they are there, and i cannot do stuff, with them watching. like i know exactly who it is each time they come, because they are real. they are people that i know. i cant do a thing, even say, use the bathroom and they stay there for hours sometimes. its like i can also sense when they leave. i think they also remember our conversation next time i see actually physically them, and if i dont bring up things i talked about, to them, they try to read my mind to get it out of me
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After he started taking the Zyprexa, for several months he'd still have these experiences, but he'd talk to me about them. Almost like he wasn't sure about the experience, and he wanted to check with me. Then they went away. Or at least he stopped talking about them. It makes it difficult to communicate effectively with someone when they're assuming that people communicate by transferring thoughts back and forth telepathically. If you say something to them, they may make it fit in with some previous "conversation" you had with them that you never really have. You think they understand you, and they think you understand them, but in fact you've completely missed each other. Not being able to communicate is very isolating. For people in psychosis, that leaves them without other people to reality test with, so they risk being drawn deeper into an imaginary world. It sounds like you may have some doubts as to the reality of these experiences. If you do, I really think you should exploit that doubt. That is a healthy sign, a bit of sanity that you shouldn't suppress.
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So I have to establish that Im so nervous that I laugh. I nervously laugh because I don't expect people to believe it. I've been in so many situations now where people don't believe me. Almost so much, that they tune me out or rarely talk to me. As of right now, this means family members. My father works a lot and it's just me and him. My parents divorced. I don't know a single soul anymore that's my age. My father is so busy, some days I can't talk to him. I dont know... Long story short: I've been having these ...hm, i dont know, what are these? Senses? Perceptions?, since I was 9 years old. What if these people are there? My example of being in a locked room could be in a public place of any kind, and, well....people are there. They are there but you do not see them, but they know everything about you. If in one instance it is true, how can it not be in mine? I fear letting my guard down.
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It could be partly caused by extreme lonliness and isolation causing it. ?
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@mgran
I am not that lonely. Most times I fear them being here. Sometimes I go and talk. Either way, if I dont talk to them, I fear it will be used against me. So that these people that I dont know can track me down easier.
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Anyway.
I am trying very hard to protect myself from these people. Face to face contact must be kept to an extreme minimum. I feel like an animal. I am the prey for which they seek vengeance I told my therapist this, but she does not understand i got very angry i said: "i dont pay you to patronize me, or give me advice, i pay you to listen to me" she said: "well you may not like what i have to say but you sound paranoid. the stuff you are saying, a lot of paranoid schizophrenics already have went through this. why do you suppose you have your diagnosis?" i just keep thinking about that. thinking: well, part of the predators out there are specific psychiatrists targeting me. im not ruling out yet that she is a possible predator. face to face contact is to be kept to a minimum. any further reports on me are of my not following instruction. my not obeying. she probably has the most easiest job in this whole manhunt spies.liars.organized crime. she can look at my face she can write down things and hide them from me if she so wishes what else can i say?
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i am afraid she is going to bring the cops to our session next time i see her.
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We've had a problematic relationship in the past, and when he's getting bad, the first thing he does is cut me off. So now he's working on not doing that. In fact when he starts feeling like he doesn't want to talk to me, he knows it's an early sign that he's slipping into unreality. Anyway we're working on repairing our relationship in the hopes it will be healing for both of us. It's almost like we're doing a do-over for his teen years. He's applying for a job that will be evenings Monday through Friday, so we'll hardly ever be home and awake at the same time. I'm a bit nervous about that, because I'm keeping him grounded right now. Maybe you need someone to help you stay grounded too? Quote:
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Psychotherapy is like a complicated interpersonal dance. You have to feel each other on an emotional level. It sounds like you were missing each other on that day. That happens every once in a while in any relationship. It can be disconcerting. Hopefully not all of your sessions are like that one. Quote:
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I adopted a teenaged boy some years ago, and we went through something like 12 therapists of various kinds in about 6 years. I've also had therapy with a couple of people myself. And my bio son is now in therapy, and I've attended some sessions with him. So I've seen a lot of therapists in action. Some were better than others. Some were actually unhelpful. But I can't remember a single one who seemed to have any malevolent intent. They all meant well. I suspect people usually go into helping professions like therapy because they care about people and want to help. Probably that's true of your therapist too. She doesn't want to hurt you; she wants to help. ![]()
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I hope not. It would surprise me if she did that. Has she done anything like that before?
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@Costello
I suppose the only person to keep me grounded would be the therapist? BUT. No, I fear face to face contact. It's mostly anxiety-ridden, but only because i'm not trying to get people to come after me. I have enough of that already. Enough people, I mean, that im trying to fend off at the moment. And yes, I shouldnt get too many face-to-face-contact reports about me being in certain places of town, or the USA, or any where. ANY reports not preplanned by me, (because I cant stop the reports, because going to the therapist for example, I can stop most) are of my fault (i rarely have faults in this area, im good about staying inside where I cant be photographed, mic'd, etc because face-to-face-contact is the easiest and most legal way for them to report on me, therefore the easiest to get away with, until the end nears so i can be set free, but i may be fighting these people til i die). ANY unplanned reports goto my second hand man, Jesse, which he tabs these incidents for record-keeping. I'll get in trouble with him, he's like a bootcamp instructer in a way, military man. Kind of. Believe me i've tried to reality test his being real. But like i told someone once, who's to say he's not real? AND, reason i say i hope she doesnt is because, when i had that convo with her, I got extremely aggressive. I could tell she was taken aback and she backed up a bit literally. I feel bad, i am not proud. Yea...she might be scared too :/
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When did this happen? If she were going to get the police involved, wouldn't she call them immediately?
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im not sure when help is supposed to kick in, in a therapy session.
specifically, people in my town. i suppose i wont say where but them. local gvt agncies. branching out to the country. i just got verbal and really close, to close for her comfort maybe. im thinking right now that your right she would had called maybe but i suppose since she flinched and backed up, will she mic or tape me? i mean without me knowing? theres a lot of plants in the room. its a very bare temporary space. i fear retaliation or perhaps blackmailing?
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Maybe she'll make some kind of safety plan or contract with you? Or have someone else present? I don't know.
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@Costello
:/ im so nervous. i just saw her last thursday and now i have to wait 2 weeks from then! i cant stop thinking about this. because what happened but...ah shoot...i was so on edge. rambling and rambling and then i goto into detail of when i planned to bring a firearm to school in 9th grade and how i understood the tucson shooter etc with my edge and agression on. it all happened so fast
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You don't have to wait two weeks to talk to her, you know. You can call and leave a message or send an email. If you're afraid you'll ramble, plan ahead what you're going to say. Just keep it short and to the point. Maybe say you're sorry you were so on edge during your last visit, it's been bothering you, and you've been ruminating about it. If you're worried that you've damaged your relationship with her, say that too. Plan what you'll say, keep it short, and take some calming breaths before you call. Newtus, you sound really isolated to me. I know you're finding interaction with other people painful, but you need a wider support system. Why are you seeing your therapist only every other week? Is there any way you can see her more often? It seems like you need to see her at least once a week. Possible more often.
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it just fell into place like that i suppose, every two weeks. i had started doing it every week but then we started doing every two weeks. i dont know why. no announcement was made. idk where it started going like that.
my time also keeps getting shifted. i hate it. i need to ask about that but... ...yea, isolation... i realize to some degree that my extreme isolation (has been going on since i graduated High School, in 2008, when i was already shy and introverted to begin with) has made me a strict misanthropist along with a very edgy impatient persona. edgy as in somewhat agressive. though i dont like this persona. it only comes when im angry. (i dont have DID as im very aware of this. i try to calm down my anger but that has never worked) most times im really just anxious, skittish and neurotic. too be honest ive never had anger problems until about a year and a half ago. i suppose when i got off my meds? i have no idea but it gets worse every month. um as far as people, i dont know if i realize how socially awkward i might be. until only about 2-3 months ago i had a couple of people tell me i walk weird and talk weird, look weird. now ive always been told that but i thought people were just being mean but i videotaped myself going about in my house and i was a bit taken aback only because i guess i could admit, i do walk funny, my posture is weird, and just everything they said. i have no idea if it has to do with this disorder but ill admit...its pretty...heh weird. i suppose ive been doing this for years.
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I think you should see the therapist more often. Maybe a case manager would help as well? You need more contact with other people - nice people, not mean people who make you feel self-conscious by telling you you walk funny.
What is it that's making you so angry? The problem isn't feeling angry; it's expressing it appropriately. Maybe if you could express it properly, it wouldn't build up and overwhelm you. Then you have a blow up and afterward worry about the fall out. I'm not sure what you mean by "personas." Does that have something to do with DID? Is there some reason to believe you have DID?
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No, i meant, im aware of my anger. I do not think i have DID.
persona: the aspect of someone's character that is presented to or perceived by others yeaaa. anyway...i just...i dont know about contact with people, period. i can ask my therapist about more time. and i never really saw myself do anything. i rarely watch/see videos of me because i do not have myself or know anyone that has me on camera. perhaps when i was a young child, but thats a bit different. its very unnerving because i always thought i was like anyone on the street as far as normal gestures and going along non-verbally, but i've seen that it's not like that....its not like most people. that was a sucky awakening for me. now i realize what many people have been telling me most of my life. that was what made think perhaps i have aspergers, at one point a month or two ago. those people made me look at myself but when i was a teenager people thought i was autistic/aspergers, though, i am not? by people i mean teachers hah, and then a few students, but most students just said i act extremely weird. my family used to and occasionally still does, question how i act. i should mention, those two people was a family member and a friend who i am not friends with anymore. though, anyway i was 15 when i was diagnosed with schizoaffective. hm, and my anger is 99% towards people, 100% towards living things. im impatient and seem to find most everyone idiots. im insanely impulsive. lately ive been trying to take out my impulsive anger by jumping off high places like a roof, or a tall porch or whatever. kind of like parkour accept i hate parkour, and i just jump into some bushes from a shed roof and then go back and sit down at the computer. for example.
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I was just wondering why you mentioned it.
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What is underlying your anger?
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I mentioned DID because I had said persona's
I do not try to be angry. Maybe, yea, maybe its coming out because of years of holding it in, though i doubt it. It's more aggressive, impulsive anger. I've never been an aggressive person until a year and half ago. I've been somewhat impulsive in times in my life, but never with anger. oh and haha, i forgot the camera was on after 5 min. i used up 30 min. so in no way it affected me in that way. i was doing something, turned it on, and went back to doing that something. and yes, people. society and various individuals. i hate society. i think we can all say theres a lot to hate. i refuse to be one of most that lets things slide and just call it "life". so we are consciously living in depressed & suppressed nations to varying degrees? most people like to say "**** happens" and go on. i agree **** happens, but im not one to go on. a lot of times i tell people that i hate the state i live in or the nation because the mindset of the supposedly sane people. they say "well why dont you leave?" i ask "why me? why cant everyone else?" i realize that that's not going to happen so i think, im not going to leave im going to change this society. thats exactly F'ing why i get loads of people trying to come after me. probably trying to murder me dead on the streets or make me homeless, or in this case call me a crazy nutjob cause i have half the set of balls (metaphorically) to stand up and try to save this nation. in the process becoming a world known, because i did. they want to try to stop me, but nothing im doing is illegal. whats illegal is that they are trying to get rid of ME, murder me, do away with me. im like the whistleblower for the people. i know of the evil secrets so im gonna call THEM out. THEM = these power hungry rulers/kings/pres. they called moses a nutjob. they kill whistleblowers against power hungry corps/people. its just about me knowing, they know i know. but you see, you cant shoot the messenger. you really SHOULDN'T but this isnt the rules of society, it's the rules for the elite and power hungry. follow their rules and of course you'll have freedom. enough brainwashing on the majority and it will be considered freedom.
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I see. Well, to me a persona is a mask or personality you put on in given situations. It makes sense to me that someone as young as you are would be trying on different "personas" to see what works best for you and to learn something about yourself. I don't think you need to have a psychiatric dx for that.
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You may have noticed I'm pretty opinionated myself. ![]() I think trying to see things from someone else's point of view might help you in several ways. For one thing, it might help you build some empathy for other people, and that will make it easier for you to interact with others and make some friends. Also, it might help you to take the focus off yourself. You seem to be intensely and negatively self-conscious. It's really uncomfortable to be around other people when you feel like you're being constantly scrutinized, judged, and found wanting. It's an old trick that shy people have been advised to use for years (at least until we decided that shyness was a disease requiring pharmacological intervention!) - stop thinking about yourself and focus on the other person. It helps relieve the painful self-consciousness, and it has the added bonus of making the other person like you a lot more. People enjoy it when another person shows genuine interest in them! Quote:
"I hates to think of dyin'," says the skipper to the mate; "Starvation, shipwrecks, heart disease I loathes to contemplate. I hates to think of vanities and all the crimes they lead to," Then says the mate, With looks sedate, "Ye doesn't reely need to." "It fills me breast with sorrer," says the skipper with a sigh, "To conjer up the happy days what careless has slipped by; I hates to contemplate the day I ups and left me Mary." Then says the mate, "Why contemplate, If it ain't necessary?" Read the rest here: http://irvingcrowley.com/poets.htm#skipper The point is that you don't have to focus on all the crap. Going on with your life and finding some happiness inspite of the crap doesn't mean you agree or approve. It just means that the odds of your altering the entire universe to suit your own preferences are very low. Is that really what you want to throw your one life away on? Quote:
In fact, I've come to believe that learning to get along with and live alongside people who irritate us is the whole point. The people who challenge us the most are the ones we need to be around the most. They make us grow. We should be grateful for them. Life isn't meant to be easy. It isn't one long love-fest. It's messy and painful and challenging. Quote:
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P.S. You called yourself a misanthrope, but you actually seem like a sensitive and caring person who sees there's something wrong in the world and wants to change things for the better. Don't let that generous impulse degenerate into hate and anger. That will hurt you and help no one. P.P.S. Try to give yourself some relief from the pain by focusing on beautiful or joyful thoughts occasionally. At least once a day.
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Yeah, im too nice. I used to lack a backbone 100%. Im slowly shedding it. I snap a lot now. I hate getting angry to certain levels but if it grows me a backbone...
i dont know. but this is something i must do. i never used to hate people but i learned to and the i wanted to then it came natural. to be honest, i dont mind it mostly. as long as i can still love the one person closest to me, my dad. i must, i HAVE to do this. there is no way this world is gonna see the truth. and in the process of all this... i will get be watched and i will be caught i know this. its just a matter of when & the timing. everything has to be perfect. i got caught by surprise a bit but... i shouldve known because now i have the S.Service watching me. ----------------------
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I don't see you as "nice." I see something deeper and more sensitive. It's a treasure, and I'd hate to see you twist it into something angry and hateful and ugly. And I think it's an utter tragedy of our times that a sensitive young woman is trying to answer the question "who am I?" by trying to figure out which psych label fits her best. I've been re-reading Pema Chodron's The Places That Scare You. I keep running across whole sections I want to share with you. My hope is that you read them and really think about them and take them to heart. I'm sending them directly to your heart. I think you're at a fork in the road, and you're really tempted to pick the wrong path. I think there's a huge part of you that still hopes someone will show you why the other path is the right one. I hope you attend to that part of yourself. That's your inner wisdom, sanity, strength, beauty, spirituality talking to you. Don't try to silence that voice. Quote:
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I read the passages/excerpts.
I thought about them and i can see them. How they can relate to me. I feel justified in both my responses: - I want to help others - I hate people This whole thing of people watching started when I was 9. I never understood why people were watching. It started with my parents but its not how I thought it was. Not my parents together. My mom maybe. Not my dad though. I have tested him enough, he is not against me. In fact, hes with me, if anything. Not at all against me in this situation, though. I feel I am different in certain aspects. Very, especially socially. Amongst other things. But, along with this I knew it was my mission in life (especially by 18) that I needed to bring these people down. I soon, very very soon, found out that it wasnt gonna happen without a fight and I would have to watch over my shoulder everywhere I went. Not just that but change my gameplan. The whole situation gets worse as time goes on in my life. Ive had to shift my whole life for this. I grow more anxious everyday. Though, ive had to change everything from being peaceful yet anxious to anxious yet scared, to changing how I dress and how I get info. I honestly hate society so much, but I know theres a few out there that deserve to be helped. That is not majority. With that, I realized i'm not just doing this mission to uncover the evils and the demonic persons of this world but I'm doing it for those few that arent majority. So in a way I am saving this world. I realize these people in high power know about me (I cannot 100% escape their eyes, whatever their eyes may be; human eyes, mechanical, digital, gas/water/air powered), but theres what they call copycats or followers. Citizens that get on the situation for their own personal gain; they are coerced with bribery, blackmail, trading, what have you. They dont know about me. They are not trained like people who are in high positions of power are. Those are who I have to hide from, mainly: copycats/followers. Please know this. I read those passages, i like them. Thank you. Im an avid reader on philosophy. An avid reader, now, after embarking on the subjects/issues 11 months ago. So i understand what they were conveying. Im hooked and believe I will always be. ----------------------
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