DBT/CBT Groups

Trace14 · Jul 30, 2016, 10:38 PM

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You have to have the right facilitator , group and setting .
I had a bad experience in an online chat on another forum. I'm ok now. I'll change it. Thank you for bringing it to my attention .

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Glad you are feeling better.
From the get go this DBT class has not been comfortable. The small, no windows room, too many people, loud people, bright lights, being the only white ex cop in there, plus it's hot in there. Then the getting triggered , to dissociating, not digesting what the handouts say......I will be glad when it's over. I have an appointment with the T a couple of hours after the DBT class on Monday. I hope she doesn't want to talk about it.

leomama · Jul 30, 2016, 10:54 PM

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Glad you are feeling better.

From the get go this DBT class has not been comfortable. The small, no windows room, too many people, loud people, bright lights, being the only white ex cop in there, plus it's hot in there. Then the getting triggered , to dissociating, not digesting what the handouts say......I will be glad when it's over. I have an appointment with the T a couple of hours after the DBT class on Monday. I hope she doesn't want to talk about it.

It doesn't sound like the right fit for you. There are other groups, leaders, members and places.

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Trace14 · Jul 30, 2016, 11:01 PM

Just read this about DBT "How DBT Works

A therapist who specializes in DBT will begin by building trust with the patient, a daunting task depending on the severity of PTSD. During sessions, the pair will discuss the specifics of the traumatic event(s) and identify the effects on the patient’s life. Problems that have cropped up in her day-to-day interactions, seemingly unrelated to past experiences, may in fact be directly traceable to the mental unrest that PTSD creates. Once the patient acknowledges what happened and how it affected her, her counselor begins teaching her to accept the event"
Dialectical Behavior Therapy for Managing PTSD | PTSD Treatment Help

This could be a big problem also. I hardly know this T, I think I've seen her twice in 6 mos. How can I trust her if I don't know her? I don't even remember what we talked about almost 3 mos ago., last appointment.

leomama · Jul 30, 2016, 11:03 PM

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Just read this about DBT "How DBT Works

A therapist who specializes in DBT will begin by building trust with the patient, a daunting task depending on the severity of PTSD. During sessions, the pair will discuss the specifics of the traumatic event(s) and identify the effects on the patient’s life. Problems that have cropped up in her day-to-day interactions, seemingly unrelated to past experiences, may in fact be directly traceable to the mental unrest that PTSD creates. Once the patient acknowledges what happened and how it affected her, her counselor begins teaching her to accept the event"

Dialectical Behavior Therapy for Managing PTSD | PTSD Treatment Help

This could be a big problem also. I hardly know this T, I think I've seen her twice in 6 mos. How can I trust her if I don't know her? I don't even remember what we talked about almost 3 mos ago., last appointment.

It doesn't sound like the right match for you. Do you have another choice?

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Trace14 · Jul 30, 2016, 11:11 PM

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It doesn't sound like the right match for you. Do you have another choice?

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Not really, not sure if there are any other female T's there at the VA. I had a man at first and he was just creepy. Kept trying to get the door to lock and the more he messed with it the more panicked I got. Even if I got another T it would be the same time lapse between appointments I expect. It's not going to change until they get more people in there to treat the veterans.

leomama · Jul 30, 2016, 11:34 PM

I am sorry. Is there another agency you can go to?

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Trace14 · Jul 31, 2016, 12:08 AM

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I am sorry. Is there another agency you can go to?

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No, not without insurance

with what I read it makes sense that you would want to have relationship with your T, trust them, and have talked about the past before you move on to DBT. Same thing with EMDR. The EAP T was doing EMDR with me a week after Dad's death and I was still in shock. I was a walking Zombie, and the EMDR brought up some past issues that maybe would have stayed at bay if I had not done EMDR at the wrong time. *sigh*

leomama · Jul 31, 2016, 12:17 AM

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No, not without insurance

with what I read it makes sense that you would want to have relationship with your T, trust them, and have talked about the past before you move on to DBT. Same thing with EMDR. The EAP T was doing EMDR with me a week after Dad's death and I was still in shock. I was a walking Zombie, and the EMDR brought up some past issues that maybe would have stayed at bay if I had not done EMDR at the wrong time. *sigh*

I suffered from too much childhood neglect for EMDR to be successful as you need at least one resource from your childhood to use as anchor. DBT did not come until later in my therapy.
I had 3 years of therapy before I did DBT.

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Trace14 · Jul 31, 2016, 12:19 AM

"Opposite action
This skill is used when you have an unjustified emotion, one that doesn’t belong in the situation at hand. You use it by doing the opposite of your urges in the moment. It is a tool to bring you out of an unwanted or unjustified emotion by replacing it with the emotion that is opposite "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectical_behavior_therapy

So it has to be an unjustified emotion to do the opposite action.

leomama · Jul 31, 2016, 12:20 AM

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"Opposite action

This skill is used when you have an unjustified emotion, one that doesn’t belong in the situation at hand. You use it by doing the opposite of your urges in the moment. It is a tool to bring you out of an unwanted or unjustified emotion by replacing it with the emotion that is opposite "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectical_behavior_therapy

So it has to be an unjustified emotion to do the opposite action.

Not necessarily. If you don't want to feel the emotion you can do opposite action. I use gentle avoidance a lot when I feel angry. It's a new tool in my arsenal.

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Trace14 · Jul 31, 2016, 12:22 AM

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I suffered from too much childhood neglect for EMDR to be successful as you need at least one resource from your childhood to use as anchor. DBT did not come until later in my therapy.
I had 3 years of therapy before I did DBT.

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Wow, 3 years. I've probably done 2.5 years, but only 6 mos with this VA T my other T that I liked sent her files over to the VA T. So she probably knows more about me than I think, if she even read them. I just don't know this T very well. I saw that one T, that I liked, for about 7 mos, once a week. The I lost my insurance.

leomama · Jul 31, 2016, 12:30 AM

That sounds tough. I had to stop DBT and stop therapy for a period of time because I couldn't afford the sliding scale at the agency I was going to. Last September an exceptionally stressful event happened and I went to my nurse for help and she offered me short term therapy with a social worker. I wasn't in therapy for 6 months and then this June another emotionally stressful event happened so I started seeing a new long therapist. It's a good fit, she takes my insurance and she's within walking/biking distance so that works for me. I just gave her photocopies of my previous treatment plans today. A good fit is important.

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Trace14 · Jul 31, 2016, 11:52 AM

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That sounds tough. I had to stop DBT and stop therapy for a period of time because I couldn't afford the sliding scale at the agency I was going to. Last September an exceptionally stressful event happened and I went to my nurse for help and she offered me short term therapy with a social worker. I wasn't in therapy for 6 months and then this June another emotionally stressful event happened so I started seeing a new long therapist. It's a good fit, she takes my insurance and she's within walking/biking distance so that works for me. I just gave her photocopies of my previous treatment plans today. A good fit is important.

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Insurance is such a rip off ,but if you don't have it you are pretty much up the creek without a paddle. I'm lucky I have the VA because if I didn't then therapy wouldn't be an option at all.
Getting a little anxious about the DBT class tomorrow and then the meeting with the T a couple hours later. It's so hard to leave the house.

leomama · Jul 31, 2016, 02:45 PM

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Insurance is such a rip off ,but if you don't have it you are pretty much up the creek without a paddle. I'm lucky I have the VA because if I didn't then therapy wouldn't be an option at all.

Getting a little anxious about the DBT class tomorrow and then the meeting with the T a couple hours later. It's so hard to leave the house.

Definitely go to both and report back to us. It's so important to be amongst people. Don't isolate.

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Trace14 · Jul 31, 2016, 03:42 PM

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Definitely go to both and report back to us. It's so important to be amongst people. Don't isolate.

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I will go...but I don't want to

Just have to pull my big girl panties up and go outside my comfort zone. People just don't understand how hard that is. But I will go. Need to read over all that DBT stuff again and make sure I have my assignment written out to read off and that I can ground long enough to get through reading it off. I'm getting chills just thinking about it.

leomama · Jul 31, 2016, 04:16 PM

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I will go...but I don't want to

Just have to pull my big girl panties up and go outside my comfort zone. People just don't understand how hard that is. But I will go. Need to read over all that DBT stuff again and make sure I have my assignment written out to read off and that I can ground long enough to get through reading it off. I'm getting chills just thinking about it.

You'll do fine and you can always get support from us, we'll always be here for you.

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Trace14 · Jul 31, 2016, 06:23 PM

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You'll do fine and you can always get support from us, we'll always be here for you.

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Just checked and it's only two more one hour classes

Trace14 · Jul 31, 2016, 11:16 PM

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You'll do fine and you can always get support from us, we'll always be here for you.

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Okay, have an example for class tomorrow
Going to DBT class = Anxiety= Not justified (?)= Action- don't go drop out= Opposite- go to classes learn new coping skills

Is this what they are wanting?

leomama · Aug 01, 2016, 12:12 AM

Pretty close except I would say your anxiety is justified . I hope you go!

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Trace14 · Aug 01, 2016, 01:03 AM

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Pretty close except I would say your anxiety is justified . I hope you go!

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Well crap, will I ever get this right? What would be an non justified emotion for that DBT class then? Fear?
I have to have a non justified emotion to do the opposite action, right?

leomama · Aug 01, 2016, 01:29 AM

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Well crap, will I ever get this right? What would be an non justified emotion for that DBT class then? Fear?

I have to have a non justified emotion to do the opposite action, right?

No, you just have to want to change how you feel. It is said that a justified resentment is the worst thing for certain types of people, so that would be a perfect example. All that's required is you don't want to feel that way anymore. I highly recommend the DBT diary card app, it really helps between classes. Problem solving is for when your feeling is based on the facts and you don't want to change it. Opposite action is for when your feeling is based on the facts and you do want to change it. I've had to do both on some very difficult situations .

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Trace14 · Aug 01, 2016, 08:11 PM

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No, you just have to want to change how you feel. It is said that a justified resentment is the worst thing for certain types of people, so that would be a perfect example. All that's required is you don't want to feel that way anymore. I highly recommend the DBT diary card app, it really helps between classes. Problem solving is for when your feeling is based on the facts and you don't want to change it. Opposite action is for when your feeling is based on the facts and you do want to change it. I've had to do both on some very difficult situations .

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After the class we talked about this and one of my problems with this is identifying an emotion. I'm pretty stoic, numb to emotions, just existing and I have been here so long it is becoming comfortable. I have accepted that this is how life is probably going to be from here out. So she wants me to do an activity that I used to do when life was better, we came up with fishing.

leomama · Aug 01, 2016, 08:13 PM

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After the class we talked about this and one of my problems with this is identifying an emotion. I'm pretty stoic, numb to emotions, just existing and I have been here so long it is becoming comfortable. I have accepted that this is how life is probably going to be from here out. So she wants me to do an activity that I used to do when life was better, we came up with fishing.

Good, I'm stoic too so I hope you go fishing! Pleasant activities is a part of DBT.

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Trace14 · Aug 01, 2016, 08:23 PM

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Good, I'm stoic too so I hope you go fishing! Pleasant activities is a part of DBT.

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We will see, that would involve some planning and leaving the house. Going to get something to eat. May be back later.

Trace14 · Aug 01, 2016, 11:38 PM

Does all of DBT surround emotions? In my case where I feel emotionless most of the time, numb to life and if an emotion arises it usually leads to dissociating. The T and I had a little bit of a difference in opinion as to what is a "justified emotion" in my life.

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